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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
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Subject: Re: Build language with weak typing,
 then add scaffolding later to strengthen it?
Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 16:27:27 -0500
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"Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> wrote in message 
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> On 5/28/2015 5:46 PM, Randy Brukardt wrote:
>
>> The problem is that
>> if you think its hard to convince people to use Ada with all of its track
>> record, try doing that with a new language with no record. So I don't 
>> think
>> there would be much of a market for that.
>
> If you mean it is hard to get people to get interested in
> new language with no record, then how can one explain the
> sudden popularity of many new languages such as swift, C# and
> others like them when they first appeared?

You answer your own question below: it's the sponsor, not the language that 
matters. That's even true for Ada; something like it would have never gotten 
off the ground without the DoD support.

> They became popular from first day. Swift now is ranked 18 now
> on http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
> and it was released by Apple, what, less than one year ago?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_%28programming_language%29
>
> More are using Swift now than Ada. And Swift has no track record
> to speak of. But of course, it is from Apple, so this explains
> all of this popularity. May be if Apple releases an Ada version for
> the iPhone, call it "iAda" with GUI build in to make apps, then Ada
> would become popular overnight :)

Certainly.

                                   Randy.