From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!gandalf.srv.welterde.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!loke.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: {Pre,Post}conditions and side effects Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:36:41 -0500 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <2430252d-52a1-4609-acef-684864e6ca0c@googlegroups.com> <87tww5296f.fsf@adaheads.sparre-andersen.dk> <871tj9dp5b.fsf@theworld.com> <87pp6a1u9w.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <877fsd1xb5.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <1d9ioha0kn05$.1durah75rm1yn.dlg@40tude.net> <5d5k4n9blbfl.hx4jw5yqa1o4.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rrsoftware.com X-Trace: loke.gir.dk 1431567401 26761 24.196.82.226 (14 May 2015 01:36:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 01:36:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:25873 Date: 2015-05-13T20:36:41-05:00 List-Id: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote in message news:5d5k4n9blbfl.hx4jw5yqa1o4.dlg@40tude.net... ... > I remind you earlier discussions on whether Positive is a type and about > merits of LSP. Each time you change anything, you create a *new* type. > Thus > when you constraint the set of values in an operation, e.g. by putting a > precondition, you create a *new* type that carries this constraint. If you > keep on pretending this new type same to the original type, you depart > strong typing and go to weak typing or no typing. And you will be dearly > punished for that by debugging countless exceptions popping here and > there, > always when you expect them least. Ergo, Dmitry has a truly bizarre world-view. Not much to be learned from that, sadly. Positive is not a type, and never will be a type (from an Ada world-view, which is all we're talking about here). Makes no sense whatsoever. And it doesn't help anyone to ignore reality. Randy.