From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,7bcba1db9ed24fa7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-10 03:55:27 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!enst!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif, Ph.D." Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: Death by analogy Part 2 (was Re: is ada dead?) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:54:51 -0700 Organization: ENST, France Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 994762526 13675 137.194.161.2 (10 Jul 2001 10:55:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:55:26 +0000 (UTC) To: Return-Path: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B4A8AA2.C8005D0C@easystreet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9710 Date: 2001-07-10T03:54:51-07:00 From: Bob Leif To: Al Christians et al. We built a commercial application with AdaSAGE under DOS (1). One major problem with AdaSAGE was that it was that it did not use many of the features of Ada 95; and to a large extent, it was Modula in Ada. However, it was fast and reliable. From my experience with AdaSAGE, the combination of a modern Ada database, such as Michael P. Card's FIRM, and an XML based GUI could create some rich entrepreneurs. I might note the AdaSAGE's and I believe Ada's biggest problem has been the DoD's inability to transfer Ada technology to the commercial sector. Although US Defense contractors often have excellent technology, it appears, at least in the case of Ada, that they have had no way to spin-off this technology. (1) R. C. Leif, R. Rios, M. C. Becker, C. K. Becker, J. T. Self, and S. B. Leif, "The Creation of a Laboratory Instrument Quality Monitoring System with AdaSAGE". Advanced Techniques in Analytical Cytology, Optical Diagnosis of Living Cells and Biofluids, Ed. T. Askura, D. L. Farkas, R. C. Leif, A. V. Priezzhev, , and B. J. Tromberg.. A. Katzir Progress in Biomedical Optics Series Editor SPIE Proceedings Series, Vol. 2678, 232-239 (1996). -----Original Message----- From: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org [mailto:comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org]On Behalf Of Al Christians Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:55 PM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: Death by analogy Part 2 (was Re: is ada dead?) "Michael P. Card" wrote: > > OK, but realize here when you say "outside military and embedded > systems" you are excluding the main domains for Ada. That would be > akin to me asking you to show me a bunch of defense contractors that > switched from Ada to Java/C++ for million-line plus real-time > applications that succeeded and are still committed to Java/C++ today! It's not like Ada wasn't supposed to be good for banal, hackneyed or workaday applications. It used to be popular amongst the European banks, but have they stuck with it? And there was Sage. When Sage was in Modula-2, it was used to develop a business-type database app that was a success with many users (hundreds of public-sector organizations ???) across the US. Then Sage was converted to AdaSage, appeared on the Walnut Creek Ada CD, and was supposed to make it easy to develop run-of-the-mill database applications in Ada. What share of the run-of-the-mill database application market does Ada now hold? How successful has AdaSage been vis-a-vis Modula-2 Sage? Al