From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-14 11:53:18 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!enst!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif, Ph.D." Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: Ada Developer's Cooperative License (was) Re: Market pressures for more reliable software Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:51:10 -0700 Organization: ENST, France Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 992544797 41665 137.194.161.2 (14 Jun 2001 18:53:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:53:17 +0000 (UTC) To: Return-Path: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <9gaguh$mfn$1@nh.pace.co.uk> Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8744 Date: 2001-06-14T11:51:10-07:00 From: Bob Leif To: Marin David Condic et al. A good first step is to either have a birds of a feather meeting at SIGAda 2001 or if I am given the opportunity during a workshop on "Creating a Symbiotic Relationship Between XML and Ada�. The software discussed during this workshop could serve as the basis for future mainstream commercial products. As far as the mechanism is concerned, it is really a simple but imperfect solution. The first assumption is that the sources for the commercial Ada programs will be available. The second assumption is that an ASIS application can be created that calculates the relative contribution of each developer to a project. The third is that an imperfect, but predictable objective calculation will be preferred by developers to individual, expensive optimized negotiations. You may get less money; but, you will not have to pay a lawyer and perhaps an accountant upfront. The second assumption has the weakness that we can achieve a consensus on the relative values of individual types of Ada source. This probably will need to include some type of arbitration procedure. The benefits are that individual software engineers are treated as investors not, as Karl Marx aptly put it, as wage slaves. The benefit to the capitalist entrepreneur is that for a small upfront cost, one has the chance to become rich. I might note from previous business experience that the capitalist should contribute significantly more than money and not be just a passive investor. -----Original Message----- From: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org [mailto:comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org]On Behalf Of Marin David Condic Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:16 AM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Ada Developer's Cooperative License (was) Re: Market pressures for more reliable software Well, I'm grateful to you for sending me a copy of the license. I'm not sure I understand it thoroughly or how the mechanics of it would work, but I like the notion of being able to put software out for public consumption and saying "Go ahead and use this freely - but if it starts to make a buck, give me my cut..." Determining what the cut should be and how it is distributed is unclear to me - but I think it would be attractive to offer developers a piece of the action. I'd like to hear from people interested in this - maybe there is some way to get such a cooperative off the ground rather than just talk about it? (Lots of us have made software available on the web - maybe we can figure out a way to make it generate some $$$?) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Robert C. Leif, Ph.D." wrote in message news:mailman.992495488.13975.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org... > From: Bob Leif > To: Marin David Condic et al. > > Thank you for your kind words on the Ada Developer's Cooperative License. > Since you mentioned "or similar", I always have stated that what I wrote was > a draft. I would be gratified if others would enhance it. > > I should explain that since a good part of my training is in biology, I > tried to create a system that would benefit from Darwinian selection or in > engineering terms feedback. Evolving a system with good feedback is an > excellent way to optimize. The combination of ASIS and the Ada package > structure offers the possibility of creating a market economy for software. > Or reverting to my biological training, we Ada mammals can destroy the > present software dinosaurs. We can develop a very low overhead distributed, > profitable, equitable software development system. >