From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,21960280f1d61e84 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.in2p3.fr!in2p3.fr!news.ecp.fr!u-picardie.fr!proxad.net!cleanfeed1-b.proxad.net!nnrp13-1.free.fr!not-for-mail Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:50:10 +0100 From: "Grein, Christoph (Fa. ESG)" Subject: AW: How come Ada isn't more popular? In-reply-to: To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-topic: How come Ada isn't more popular? Thread-index: AcdA9E4Lm+zPYGziTtS4drh/dE45QQAMbJ9Q X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2007 08:50:11.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD2BFE70:01C74126] X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9rc1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Message-ID: X-Leafnode-NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.191.17.134 Organization: Guest of ProXad - France NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jan 2007 09:55:02 MET NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.191.14.223 X-Trace: 1169801702 news-3.free.fr 2198 88.191.14.223:35293 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:8592 Date: 2007-01-26T09:55:02+01:00 Von: comp.lang.ada-bounces@ada-france.org [mailto:comp.lang.ada-bounces@ada-france.org] Im Auftrag von Markus E Leypold >> The circumstances differed in this respect: The C students were given >> 60% of the teacher's solution. Initially, the Ada students were given >> 10% (or maybe less). > So it was not really a comparable situation. One might argue that > already given partial solutions demotivate and that they have dangers > of its own (often draw people on a wrong path of thinking). I've > actually seen people given a partial solution perfoming worse than > those who had to do without. > ... (I haven't even read the study yet), but ... You really should have looked before commenting... :-( Fact is: The students were not able to finish the job, so they were given more and more source. And even with 60%, they were still not able. With Ada, the situation changed. Disaster was expected, but to the big surprise the students finished the work with only 10% code given.