From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: controlnews3.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!nnx.oleane.net!oleane!freenix!enst.fr!melchior!cuivre.fr.eu.org!melchior.frmug.org!not-for-mail From: "Alexander E. Kopilovich" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: [OT] price of doing science (was: No call for Ada...) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:25:01 +0400 (MSD) Organization: Cuivre, Argent, Or Message-ID: References: <003e01c42ef1$f863c2a0$f10c5451@netcabo.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1083338742 65681 212.85.156.195 (30 Apr 2004 15:25:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:25:42 +0000 (UTC) To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <003e01c42ef1$f863c2a0$f10c5451@netcabo.pt>; from Marius Amado Alves at Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:30:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.44 MSDOS] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p7 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: controlnews3.google.com comp.lang.ada:138 Date: 2004-04-30T19:25:01+04:00 Marius Amado Alves wrote: > Believe me, it's perceived as the "price", and not at all "natural", at > least by the vast majority of scientists, form all over the world, and > particulary Europe, I've been working with in various institutions for the > last decade or so. A scientist, who explicitly asks to believe him regarding a non-private issue in which he apparently did not conduct any scientific research, looks somehow strange. How do you know what those many (vast majority) scientists to whom your are referring do perceive? You could see only that they displayed publicly (and the tradition requires them to display distaste for those purely organizational matters). > A scientist's dream is to have some department take care > of all aspects except the scientific when preparing and managing projects. "We all dream a lot -- some are lucky, some are not" (Rice & Webber, Joseph and Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat; by the way, I recommend you this opera - it's a good picture of some scientist's ideal). Alexander Kopilovich aek@vib.usr.pu.ru Saint-Petersburg Russia