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Kopilovitch" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: OT: Nuclear Waste (Was Re-Marketing Ada) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:00:55 +0300 (MSK) Organization: Cuivre, Argent, Or Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1069351273 36086 80.67.180.195 (20 Nov 2003 18:01:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:01:13 +0000 (UTC) To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org Return-Path: In-Reply-To: ; from "Robert I. Eachus" at Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:40:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.44 MSDOS] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p5 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2755 Date: 2003-11-20T21:00:55+03:00 Robert I. Eachus > >>Dmyytry, Dmytry, you really need to catch up on your technical reading: > >> > >>Teleportation: http://www.aip.org/physnews/graphics/html/teleport.htm > >> > >>Time travel: http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/4_11_98/fob3.htm > >> > >>Superluminal communication: > >>http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?1999quant.ph..6113S > > > > > > Don't want to discuss more with someone who don't think that it's > > cheating _by_ _default_ . There was too many teleportations and > > superluminal communications and time travel reports all over > > 20th,19th,18th and even 17th century, > > to many years BC.In next 10 years you will foget about links you're > > providing,and will use links to other sci-fi. > Huh? The difference as far as I am concerned Yes, that far as you concerned. But you are an Engineer, not a scientist. You are accustomed to some formal criteria for scientific results. And you have little chance to notice that those familiar criteria gradually become insufficient nowadays. This happens because an approach to a science as to a kind of industry leads to fast adaptation to any formal criteria. And more that adaptation advances, the less those criteria reflect. > is that 1) they have done the math Exactly - they have *done the math*. Surely they did. > --all of the above results are consistant with quantum > mechanics, etc. And 2) these are reputable scientific experiments, with > enough information published that 3) the results have been duplicated. But what those result *mean*? Are the *words* appropriate? Do those words carry proper, familiar associations in this case? To which degree? > As for the Nimtz (superluminal communication) there have been a number > of papers challenging whether or not it is a practical method. I think > it can be developed into a technique where you have alternating > forbidden and amplifying regions in a waveguide. The average data > velocity would then be in the 2 to 3x lightspeed range. But there is no > bogus science in any of the papers or results I mentioned. (The > original quantum teleportion result involved only a single photon at a > time, but people are working on scaling it up. I think an electron has > now been teleported, and the next project is to teleport a single atom.) Although I have heard something about that, I neither have an intention to look there nor recommend it to anybody. Better wait at least 10-15 years. Not being prepared enough, not being a quite strong physisist, one have no chance to evaluate such a result properly. Don't take hot results if you aren't a professional in that area, just wait until these results cease to be hot. What does it mean - teleportation of a single photon? How can one identify a single photon? (And it is just the first question). And overall, well, although there are indeed enough difference, but there is also much in common - unclear meaning, unexplored consequences and high publicity. > Startrek like teleportation of people is decades if not a century >away, but at this point it is engineering, no new physics required. What a beautiful perspective: we'll teleport our weapons on enemy sites, and then issue the Anti-Teleportation Strategic Initiative. And oh, there will be problems for immigration agencies - all those illegal immigrants will simply teleport themselves into USA and Europe. And spies - all intelligence agencies will be very happy. Terrorists will be happy also, though. Alexander Kopilovitch aek@vib.usr.pu.ru Saint-Petersburg Russia