From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: controlnews3.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!proxad.net!freenix!enst.fr!melchior!cuivre.fr.eu.org!melchior.frmug.org!not-for-mail From: "Marius Amado Alves" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: [OT] price of doing science (was: No call for Ada...) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:30:25 -0700 Organization: Cuivre, Argent, Or Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1083324754 34391 212.85.156.195 (30 Apr 2004 11:32:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:32:34 +0000 (UTC) To: Return-Path: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2004 11:32:22.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE001FE0:01C42EA6] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p7 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: controlnews3.google.com comp.lang.ada:120 Date: 2004-04-30T13:30:25-07:00 "Modern science deals also with budgets, management, conferences, grants, degrees and citations." (Kopilovich) "That's scientific bureaucracy. It is merely the price scientists should pay for having an ability to do science." (Kasakov) "No, these days [the] majority of professional scientists recognize all that not as the price, but as the elements of [a] more or less natural collaborative environment." (Kopilovich) Believe me, it's perceived as the "price", and not at all "natural", at least by the vast majority of scientists, form all over the world, and particulary Europe, I've been working with in various institutions for the last decade or so. A scientist's dream is to have some department take care of all aspects except the scientific when preparing and managing projects. Let me tell you that in academic research centers we loose a lot of opportunities because we don't have that department. And we don't have it because we're always on a short budget and prefer to spend it in strictly scientific activities. Yes it's a vicious circle. (I expect *industrial* research centers e.g. PARC to have such departments, but I have no inside knowledge.)