From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,714a8558b02b32bb X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-01-20 06:22:26 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!enst.fr!melchior!cuivre.fr.eu.org!melchior.frmug.org!not-for-mail From: "amado.alves" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: GUI was Re: why Ada is so unpopular ? Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:16:37 -0000 Organization: Cuivre, Argent, Or Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1074608438 47850 80.67.180.195 (20 Jan 2004 14:20:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:20:38 +0000 (UTC) To: Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: GUI was Re: why Ada is so unpopular ? Thread-Index: AcPfWl7sy/F0pW2xTAOcXlBbe+V7OgAAkSOf X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2004 14:16:49.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B419E10:01C3DF60] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p5 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:4571 Date: 2004-01-20T14:16:37+00:00 <<... Various enthusiasts have suggested "Well let's go build one from=20 bottom-dead-center and *make* it the library of choice..." - a noble=20 ambition but one that *at best* would take a really long time...>> There's another way: compromise. In the ASCLWG we eventually managed to = agree upon selecting a pre-existing container library (Charles) to form = the basis of the standard proposal. I didn't take long. The group was = assembled in June 2002 (the Ada Europe workshop in Vienna), and the = proposal was filed in September 2003 (AI-302/2). In the intervening = dense discussion (circa 500 messages on the group list, plus circa 100 = on the ARG forum) every one of us compromised about something from = naming to featured abstractions to iteration methods. If someone had started a similar process with GTK (or JEWL or...) we'd = have it in Ada 2005, the standard GUI. Of course there is still plenty = of time for a separate standard, or a reference API or whatever SIGAda = calls it. (I'm not disagreeing with anything, just telling a story.)