From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,c9bf6617358567a9 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-03-11 07:50:48 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: Commercial license? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:50:23 -0800 Organization: ENST, France Message-ID: Reply-To: "comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway" NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1047397847 61317 137.194.161.2 (11 Mar 2003 15:50:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:50:47 +0000 (UTC) To: "'comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway'" Return-Path: X-Envelope-From: rleif@rleif.com X-Envelope-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:35202 Date: 2003-03-11T07:50:23-08:00 I agree. However, it must first have more than one member. Bob Leif -----Original Message----- From: Marin David Condic [mailto:mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:46 AM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: Commercial license? Lots of contracts that are used every day - even in very large business transactions - are not written by lawyers. I'd hazzard a guess that most software licenses have not seen the inside of a law office either. Basically, its a way of defining an understanding between two parties = and it doesn't always need a lawyer involved. Especially if the stakes aren't terribly high - which I suspect is the case for most of the software = that is hanging around on the various web pages here. However, I would agree that if anyone has any serious software efforts = at stake, getting a lawyer to review the license is a wise and prudent act. Lawyers won't guarantee you won't have any problems, but they sure will minimize those odds. I think Dr. Leif's ADCL was proposed as a matter for consideration and = one that would presumably go through some itterations of refinement and commentary. I would imagine that if an Ada Developer's Cooperative were = to be formed, it would need to consult an attorney concerning the = provisions of its license. MDC -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "Going cold turkey isn't as delicious as it sounds." -- H. Simpson =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D John R. Strohm wrote in message news:8E197C72ED293700.9CFD1DCB25CB0B4C.812DA03615AB7642@lp.airnews.net...= > LOOK, PEOPLE. > > A license is a LEGAL DOCUMENT. > > It is written in a language that superficially resembles English, but = in > fact the resemblance stops there. > > A license MUST be drafted by a knowledgeable professional, with = expertise in > the subject area. Doing anything else is foolhardy. > > The community here can provide input, state requirements and goals, = and > participate in the discussion, but the actual work must be done by a > competent attorney. > > I'm a programmer, not a lawyer, and part of my education was learning = that I > wasn't a lawyer and should consult one when it was appropriate.