From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,88ed72d98e6b3457 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-03 08:57:53 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!oleane.net!oleane!frmug.org!freenix!enst.fr!melchior!cuivre.fr.eu.org!melchior.frmug.org!not-for-mail From: "Alexandre E. Kopilovitch" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Standard Library Interest? Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:52:39 +0300 (MSK) Organization: Cuivre, Argent, Or Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1067878591 34472 80.67.180.195 (3 Nov 2003 16:56:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:56:31 +0000 (UTC) To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org Return-Path: In-Reply-To: ; from Robert Spooner at Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:14:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.44 MSDOS] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p5 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:1999 Date: 2003-11-03T19:52:39+03:00 Robert Spooner wrote: > > I wonder, why do you think that mentoring is more important in software > > engineering than in all classical sciences? Or in professions like doctors and > > lawyers? > > > > Actually, I think that if you look at how things are handled in this > country in the sciences and medicine, you will find a lot of mentoring. > Physicians serve internships and residencies after graduation from > medical school. Graduate students in the sciences are typically mentored > by their advisors - sometimes well, sometimes not. They often have to > take postdoctoral fellowships as well before obtaining a permanent > position. In the life sciences in particular, it can take years. But this is exactly what I intended to say - that software engineering needs mentoring just like other professions that routinely deal with high degree of complexity. I do not dispute the need of mentoring in all such professions, including software engineering. I just dislike a guild as a method for providing and enforcing the mentoring. Alexander Kopilovitch aek@vib.usr.pu.ru Saint-Petersburg Russia