From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-11 06:12:08 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.cs.univ-paris8.fr!proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!enst.fr!melchior!cuivre.fr.eu.org!melchior.frmug.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Date: 11 Apr 2004 09:10:08 -0400 Organization: Cuivre, Argent, Or Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1081689030 33950 212.85.156.195 (11 Apr 2004 13:10:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:10:30 +0000 (UTC) To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org Return-Path: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p7 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6975 Date: 2004-04-11T09:10:08-04:00 Wes Groleau writes: > tmoran@acm.org wrote: > > So the 5 Ada guys have to fix 1,000 bugs at 1/day/guy, for a total > > of 1000/5=200 days. > > The 100 C guys fix at .5 bugs/day, so they do 50/day total, and > > they have 10,000 to fix, for 10000/50= 200 days. > > Looks like that race ends in a tie. > > Why is everyone so determine to miss the point? You have to admit you didn't do the math with your own numbers. Your conclusion was wrong; the C guys did _not_ have the Ada guys "way beat". So the lesson _I_ get from your "bogus numbers" is that seemingly small productivity gains are deceptively powerful. You threw the numbers together, and assumed it would be obvious that the C team was going to get done quicker. That turned out to be wrong once Tom actually did the math. Once again, careful analysis beats seat-of-the-pants, every time. This will be my favorite example for some time to come :). > The numbers are wrong, irrelevant, and bogus. The point is that we > Ada fans are so far out-numbered that (as Marin has been insisting > for ages) we have to do something really good, not try to compete on > the turf that they have _already_ captured. And I do that, every day at work. Someday, the higher up management will notice. At the moment, they are not measuring productivity, so they have no way to notice. -- -- Stephe