From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-09 11:46:29 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.cs.univ-paris8.fr!proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!enst.fr!melchior!cuivre.fr.eu.org!melchior.frmug.org!not-for-mail From: "Andrew Carroll" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: No call for Ada Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:01:36 -0600 Organization: Cuivre, Argent, Or Message-ID: References: <20040409115529.8C0D24C412B@lovelace.ada-france.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1081536198 7319 212.85.156.195 (9 Apr 2004 18:43:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:43:18 +0000 (UTC) To: Return-Path: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p7 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6920 Date: 2004-04-09T13:01:36-06:00 > ------------------------------ > From: Marin David Condic > Subject: Re: No call for Ada > > Well, I'm sure I could get my company to cough up a conference room for > some kind of after-hours team sessions to facilitate some discussion. I > don't know how much that would help. [snip] > but they wouldn't likely do that without seeing some market that would justify > the cost. It may end up a follow-on deal. I don't know where you sent your email from (where your office is) but if it isn't in Colorado then I'm guessing I would be missing the meetings. Not that I was invited. > What I'd imagine doing would be to pull together an integrated kit that > supported a GUI, Database and Class Library. That might not be an > unachievable goal, but, as you observe, it would take some money. > Volunteer software only gets so far and the public seems to like the > "Professionalism" that comes with commercially supported products. Considering all the pieces are already out there it is a highly achievable goal. All that really needs to be done is to have an "install" or "setup" program to install the existing components. I personally don't think it would be such a bad idea to go through the existing components and organize them/integrate them into one directory tree instead of trying to work with the existing component directory layouts from each individual component. Who says we can't sell the final product? As long as the source code is freely available. Look at RedHat Linux or FreeBSD. They get from $75 to ~$200 per box set. Assuming of course that the license is the same. Who's going to fund it initially? Well I will, if $1.92 will cut it. > Marius Amado Alves wrote: > > Here's a idea to ease the adoption of Ada, and thus expand it, and thus > > augment the percentage of reliable software in the world, and throw some > > business our way along with it. > > > > The main result is a CD+book that constitutes the big package everyone seems > > to be expecting, containing every resource/library required to learn Ada and > > build a vast class of applications, and easy to install and use. This is a great idea as well!! I was aiming more for a box of software but hey, if it comes with a book instead then great. As far as raising money, maybe we could sell some t-shirts to the C/C++ community? Better yet, we could develop some simple little software programs for C/C++ developers and sell those. OF COURSE their writen in Ada, what else would bring some irony to the situation? ------------------------------ From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Subject: Re: No call for Ada [snip] > In my view, nothing will change until governments (US, I do not believe in > EU) understand that the current state of software development is a real > threat, in a long term perspective, maybe, greater than terrorism. > > -- > Regards, > Dmitry A. Kazakov > www.dmitry-kazakov.de I'm not sure if your saying that governments need to verify all software that goes to market, sort of like the FDA approves medications or if your saying that the US companies are predominantly responsible for the majority of bad software and it's the US governments fault. Either way I agree that ALL software from EVERY country could be writen better. I disagree that it should be "approved" by some government entity. Imagine how much a copy of Windows would cost then!! Not only that but who approves the methods of approval? What your saying is like saying that the industry needs an unpenetrable network firewall. To your surprise, there is one! Disconnect your network from the Internet and then, your network is unpenetrable from the Internet. See how easy that was? Andrew Carroll Carroll-Tech 720-273-6814 andrew@carroll-tech.net