From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-06 19:26:08 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsrout1.ntli.net!news.ntli.net!proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!enst.fr!melchior!cuivre.fr.eu.org!melchior.frmug.org!not-for-mail From: "Alexander E. Kopilovich" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 06:15:24 +0400 (MSD) Organization: Cuivre, Argent, Or Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1081304468 599 212.85.156.195 (7 Apr 2004 02:21:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 02:21:08 +0000 (UTC) To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org Return-Path: In-Reply-To: ; from "Dmitry A. Kazakov" at Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:17:20 +0200 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.44 MSDOS] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p7 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6793 Date: 2004-04-07T06:15:24+04:00 Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > > In the case of Java the most significant reason for that skyrocketed > > success was (I think) not just luck and aggressive marketing, but very > > high level of professional traitorousness among CS teachers in American > > universities. In late 90th they massively adopted Java for their courses > > despite obvious defects of the language (the most beautiful example is > > absence of enumerations in Java - before appearance of Java those academic > > people always claimed that enumerations are very important and necessary, > > but no one them said a word about their absence in Java - they were too > > busy in praising Java to notice such a tiny detail). > > But why they adopted Java? It was the same combination of luck and marketing > Randy Brukardt wrote about. Why you, not being an American, use this luck-based theory, which is proprietary American? -:) Do you really think that Sun, when investing not small money in that Java move, did so just in adventurous hope of meeting luck on the road? Didn't you noticed how IBM pushed Java all the way - was it just luck for Sun? > That time many of them had Sun worstations >avaiable. Nobody ever liked Microsoft. End of story. I don't think that availability of Sun workstations played significant role there - nobody liked Sun workstations too much (except of those who used multiprocessors, which couldn't be widely available in universities)... some liked SGIs, some Alphas, but I never heard of anyone being particularly fond of uniprocessor Sun workstation. And frowning at the Microsoft played no role there - in fact, Microsoft readily produced their JVM and equipped IE accordingly (the fact that MS "tried to poison" Java is immaterial here as we talk about skyrocketed adoption of Java language). There was real matter that time - dot-coms were booming and there was widespread strong feeling about the need of easily distributable specialized clients for online shopping. And this was the trampoline for Java - applets. Then, after several years, dot-com bubble bursted, applets faded, but critical mass for the language was already reached - thanks to conformant university CS teachers in big part. Alexander Kopilovitch aek@vib.usr.pu.ru Saint-Petersburg Russia