From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-05 15:59:46 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.cs.univ-paris8.fr!proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!enst.fr!melchior!cuivre.fr.eu.org!melchior.frmug.org!not-for-mail From: "Alexander E. Kopilovich" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:50:15 +0400 (MSD) Organization: 100 Message-ID: References: <1073gv22t969q5a@corp.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1081205404 84474 212.85.156.195 (5 Apr 2004 22:50:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:50:04 +0000 (UTC) To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <1073gv22t969q5a@corp.supernews.com>; from Randy Brukardt at Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:38:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.44 MSDOS] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p7 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6758 Date: 2004-04-06T02:50:15+04:00 Randy Brukardt wrote: >The reason that Java got successful (like the reason that *anything* or >*anyone* gets successful) was luck. Sun got what had been a widely ignored >language/system tied to a skyrocket (the internet) by putting applet support >into Netscape. That got the foot in the door where heavy promotion could >make an effect. > >Remember, it's a combination of luck and marketing that makes anyone or >anything successful. Merit has very little to do with it - the only >requirement being that the product fufill some (but not necessarily all) of >its promises. In the case of Java the most significant reason for that skyrocketed success was (I think) not just luck and aggressive marketing, but very high level of professional traitorousness among CS teachers in American universities. In late 90th they massively adopted Java for their courses despite obvious defects of the language (the most beautiful example is absence of enumerations in Java - before appearance of Java those academic people always claimed that enumerations are very important and necessary, but no one them said a word about their absence in Java - they were too busy in praising Java to notice such a tiny detail). Alexander Kopilovich aek@vib.usr.pu.ru Saint-Petersburg Russia