From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,474ef6dae6b7cbe7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-04-25 10:21:52 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!195.40.4.120.MISMATCH!easynet-quince!easynet.net!teaser.fr!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Beard, Frank Randolph CIV" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bitaddressing and OOP Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:21:05 -0400 Organization: ENST, France Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1051291311 31723 137.194.161.2 (25 Apr 2003 17:21:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:21:51 +0000 (UTC) To: "comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway" Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bitaddressing and OOP Thread-Index: AcMK9k2gv7A8+xl+S/CCSYwsbZEDyAAUnsKQ X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2003 17:21:05.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DE3CA20:01C30B4F] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.1 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:36554 Date: 2003-04-25T13:21:05-04:00 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Welsh [mailto:news@tom-welsh.co.uk] > How about successful projects? Well, for a start these are in a small > minority - partly because of the syndrome described above. Moreover, > some of the most strikingly successful projects are considered = strategic > (whether in government or business) and are therefore kept secret. = Once > again, the feedback loops are blocked and learning does not take place > on any significant scale. I worked on the Space Shuttle ground based test chambers. The = development was totally in Ada. The final product was about 200K lines of code. = NASA was very satisfied with the software. We were even given an award by = NASA. However, our NASA management told us not to tell anyway about the = software, because, as a government agency, we would have to give a copy of the = source code to anyone who asked. Among other things, they were afraid we would have to provide support to the outside world, even if it were only = occasional telephone, or email, support. I never say anything anywhere that talked about it's success. Frank