From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,325c54deb91283fd X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-04-25 09:22:28 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.litech.org!fr.ndsoftwarenet.com!proxad.net!freenix!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Beard, Frank Randolph CIV" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: Ada in Iraq Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:21:48 -0400 Organization: ENST, France Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1051287747 31506 137.194.161.2 (25 Apr 2003 16:22:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:22:27 +0000 (UTC) To: "comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway" Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ada in Iraq Thread-Index: AcMLBPcFyxFBaBLeQW+wwhCvqnCFkQAPIweg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2003 16:21:50.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6DF8720:01C30B46] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.1 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:36550 Date: 2003-04-25T12:21:48-04:00 -----Original Message----- From: John McCabe [mailto:john@nospam.demon.co.uk] [OFFTOPIC] Of course, even if Iraq did become part of the US Empire, like the UK appears to have become (!), there would be much more freedom of speech etc than under Saddam Hussein's regime, but don't for a minute think that this war was *all* about freeing the Iraqis from oppression and stopping Iraq from being a threat to 'world peace'. [/OFFTOPIC] No one said it was, and I don't think anyone thinks that either. There can be more than one reason to do something. I'm just tired of the naive claims that it's all about the oil. Especially since the rest of the world has a higher dependence on the oil produced in the middle east than we do. We might be the biggest users, but we can produce our own. It's just cheaper to buy it from the middle east. =20 I don't think the US is interested in creating an empire. If it=20 were, and it were all about the oil, we would have kept Kuwait,=20 and many other parts of the world. But lets also not think for a minute that all the opposition to the war was for some moral principle either, as in no right to interfere, or we need to follow the UN, etc. In light of many of the new discoveries, such as French and Russian missiles (production dates of 2002 and 2000 respectively) in the possession of the Iraqi's. Both=20 were in violation of UN weapons sanctions against Iraq. And, of course, the French oil deals with Saddam. And then there's the issue of the nearly 2 billion (that's billion) dollars Saddam gave to the UN. The UN president couldn't, or wouldn't, account for the money. The only UN response was that there were multiple audits. When asked by whom, nobody knows. Apparently, some type of internal audit (more like the fox guarding the hen house). When asked to produce any of the audits or information, it was refused. It seems many of the biggest "moral" objectors had the most to gain by keeping Saddam in power. Where's the moral outrage there? Frank