From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-03-01 16:39:59 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.telebyte.nl!proxad.net!teaser.fr!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:39:15 -0800 Organization: ENST, France Message-ID: Reply-To: "comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway" NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1046565598 18217 137.194.161.2 (2 Mar 2003 00:39:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 00:39:58 +0000 (UTC) To: "'comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway'" Return-Path: X-Envelope-From: rleif@rleif.com X-Envelope-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:34784 Date: 2003-03-01T16:39:15-08:00 Better yet, it could be very profitable. Ada allows efficient = distributed development and rational sharing of the profits. I suspect that XForms = could be a killer application. Although Microsoft will create a version, = chances are it will be nonstandard and limited to Windows. Once one has XForms = in Ada, then it will be possible to build truly portable, extensible applications based on the combination of Ada and XML. Bob Leif -----Original Message----- From: Marin David Condic [mailto:mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org]=20 Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:14 AM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died Well, the language wars are never really over, are they? Technology = keeps marching on, new projects get started with what is then the latest & greatest technology. The world turns and the more things change the more they look the same. :-) What I would like to see is an army of small-time developers building = better products and shamelessly using Ada to do it. (Put that little "Ada = Inside" sticker on it! :-) One could think big, like an Ada-OS or an Ada version = of Star Office or an Ada version of Quicken (Is there a good open-source checkbook/accounting program out there?) One could think small, like = tools for education (tutorial software for languages, math & statistics = packages for academic uses, etc.) or hacker tools within the organization. One = could think about the new products the company is planning and see how to get = Ada to fit in there. Whatever angle it goes, the objective is to build = really solid, reliable software and put that "Ada Inside" sticker on it. The beauty of it is that if this army of small-timers goes out and makes reliable products and Ada starts gaining some visibility & reputation as = a result, you'd have the DoD contractors looking at the "New Wave" and wondering how they missed the boat the first time around. The irony of = it would be delicious, wouldn't it? :-) MDC -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "Going cold turkey isn't as delicious as it sounds." -- H. Simpson =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Richard Riehle wrote in message news:3E60215B.8E1CB727@adaworks.com... > > Someone, about two years ago said, "The language wars are over and > C++ is the winner." What we now realize is that the language wars > are not over, and no one is really the winner. If there is a loser, = it > is the Department of Defense which allowed its own successes with > the Ada policy to be squandered. It is a clear case of the famous > expression, "... grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory." >