From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5f7d72bde5bb96de X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-03-26 18:48:36 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.cs.univ-paris8.fr!proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!enst.fr!melchior!cuivre.fr.eu.org!melchior.frmug.org!not-for-mail From: "Alexandre E. Kopilovitch" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Is 3.15p -still- the latest GNAT 'p' release? Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 05:56:04 +0300 (MSK) Organization: Cuivre, Argent, Or Message-ID: References: <87isgryxkz.fsf@insalien.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1080355615 61368 212.85.156.195 (27 Mar 2004 02:46:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:46:55 +0000 (UTC) To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <87isgryxkz.fsf@insalien.org>; from Ludovic Brenta at 27 Mar 2004 00:53:32 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.44 MSDOS] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p7 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6586 Date: 2004-03-27T05:56:04+03:00 Ludovic Brenta write: > Hyman Rosen writes: > > > Ludovic Brenta wrote: > > >(2) the "GNAT Pro" releases offered only to paying customers > > > > You could always contact friends who are (or work for) paying > > customers and get a Pro version from them. > > This is pirating. You made me smiling, almost laughing, thanks -:) . What do you know about so-called "piracy"? I guess - from that your sentence - that you know very little, too little about this controversial issue. I think that taking GNAT Pro from a friend (if it appears possible) can't be "pirating" in any sense (and if fact, if someone managed to "pirate" ACT, that is, Robert Dewar, it would be big and admirable achievement, and true contribution into software business art and experience -:) . There is little sense to take GNAT Pro from a friend unless the "pirate" has the same profile (as a developer) as that friend, which is unlikely. If fact, it may be only reasonable for evaluating either GNAT Pro itself or some new language or library features provided there - but this hardly can make any damage to ACT. > I will never encourage such a disrespectful attitude. I can't see why you call this attitude "disrespectful". On the contrary, taking some product for use shows respect for that product and for its vendor. Note that it is unimaginable that a company that is able to pay for GNAT Pro will choose to take it "from a friend". Only those who can't pay and do not care much about legality of *their* own software products may go this way. > ACT are doing an outstanding job. As a professional > software developer, I happen to know just how much effort goes into > testing, verification and certification. Very good, but so what? GNAT Pro is not a computer game or a song. Note that Robert Dewar repeated many times that ACT sells *support*, and GNAT Pro is just supported version of GNAT. And you can't easily take that support from a friend, because the customer's profile is stated in the support contract. > I pray everyone on this newsgroup not to listen to Hyman Rosen. It sounds like you accused him in heresy -:) > If you require GNAT Pro, pay. I think that more proper formulation will be: "If you can easily pay for GNAT Pro then, perhaps, you need it". Alexander Kopilovitch aek@vib.usr.pu.ru Saint-Petersburg Russia