From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,ffe4fb1477fe67e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!proxad.net!cleanfeed3-b.proxad.net!nnrp15-1.free.fr!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at drc.ion.ucl.ac.uk From: Ali Bendriss Organization: The Dementia Research Centre To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org Subject: Re: Newbie Needs Ada Advice Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 17:18:22 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <1178212418.538270.283700@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <4640923B.7060409@obry.net> <1178638047.133001.115090@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1178638047.133001.115090@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-UCL-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the UCL Helpdesk, helpdesk@ucl.ac.uk for more information X-UCL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UCL-MailScanner-From: ali.bendriss@drc.ion.ucl.ac.uk X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9rc1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Message-ID: X-Leafnode-NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.191.17.134 NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2007 20:35:03 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.191.14.223 X-Trace: 1178822103 news-4.free.fr 7441 88.191.14.223:55253 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:15734 Date: 2007-05-10T20:35:03+02:00 Hello, On Tuesday 08 May 2007 16:27, ezkcdude wrote: > Thanks, Pascal. Here are my responses. > > > I don't understand that, did you really had a look at GtkAda (some have > > commented that they don't like it, fine) ? > > Dmitry and others commented on this in this thread. > > >GPS is developed with it, > > looks like GtkAda is quite capable... > > It's not so much look, but the ease of doing it. For example, I would > like something like the GUI builders you can find in NetBeans. Glade > is similar, but then you have the XML stuff, which seems like even > more overhead to learn. I noticed that the version of glade bundled > with GtkAda in GPS is not the most current version. The current > version of Glade does not output source code, only XML. > You usually don't have to edit that xml file directly, Glade/Gate will do the job for you. > > Another solution for Ada is to use > > AWS, the Ada application can then be accessed with a standard browser. > > This of course impose that the GUI be not too "fancy", yet with the > > AWS/Ajax support there is still some nice GUI to build. > > I really don't want to get into web programming. That would be even > more languages to learn. > a web browser has some great graphics capabilities, just send your image in a format it can understand (png, jpeg, gif, svg). It will as well save you some time by implementing natively encryption, printing, fonts,history... > > Everything is possible :) Java GUI are so ugly that I won't even > > consider this a solution. At least GtkAda as native look&feel (not 100% > > ok but far better than Java). > > I am not really concerned with looks. Most important are 1) > functionality 2) performance and 3) ease of programming. Java really > seems to have the upper hand in #3. Is this not the case? > Java is able as well to run as an applet and some GUI using the multithreading are really responsive. But we are in c.l.ada isn't it so : Maybe the best tools to start writing a GUI are pens, scissors and some papers. After you will have the choice of different libs as mentioned before to implement it. I will just add : - TASH http://tcladashell.sourceforge.net/ - AdaSDL http://www.libsdl.org/languages.php I've already used the second, and it's fine to manage simple events. You need as well to think how your engine and your GUI will communicate. -- Ali