From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,8623fab5750cd6aa X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!proxad.net!freenix!enst.fr!melchior!cuivre.fr.eu.org!melchior.frmug.org!not-for-mail From: "Alexander E. Kopilovich" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:21:12 +0400 (MSD) Organization: Cuivre, Argent, Or Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1087262896 83655 212.85.156.195 (15 Jun 2004 01:28:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:28:16 +0000 (UTC) To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org Return-Path: In-Reply-To: ; from Hyman Rosen at Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:10:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.44 MSDOS] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p7 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:1490 Date: 2004-06-15T05:21:12+04:00 Hyman Rosen wrote: > Wouldn't you be confused if someone ran around shouting that a > perfectly well-dressed man was actually naked? Well, I would not be confused if this happens somewhere in tropical lands and that well-dressed/naked man is one of native inhabitants. Similarly for "reliable secure" OSes - I easily can see reasons for calling, for example, Windows 2000, both reliable and secure (because it is well alive against awful amount of pressure) and at the same time - both unreliable and insecure (because very many users were affected by various vulnerabilities in this OS). I don't know any good definition for "reliable and secure OS", and I don't think that there is such a definition. Is QNX (probably written C) reliable and secure? Perhaps yes, but one can say that it has not enough users or that it isn't general-purpose OS. Was Multics reliable and secure? Perhaps yes, but one can say that it was not tested in an environment comparable with that in which Windows live - millions of users, many of them almost illiterate and some of then wicked. Alexander Kopilovich aek@vib.usr.pu.ru Saint-Petersburg Russia