From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-02-28 17:42:43 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:42:12 -0800 Organization: ENST, France Message-ID: Reply-To: "comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway" NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1046482961 12744 137.194.161.2 (1 Mar 2003 01:42:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 01:42:41 +0000 (UTC) To: "'comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway'" Return-Path: X-Envelope-From: rleif@rleif.com X-Envelope-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:34750 Date: 2003-02-28T17:42:12-08:00 Marin is right. The example of a few Ada millionaires would greatly = expand its usage. The XML tide could carry us along. Bob Leif -----Original Message----- From: Marin David Condic [mailto:mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org]=20 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:49 AM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died BTW: Just to follow-up on my own post and demonstrate that I practice = what I preach... :-) I do have Ada projects going on and am actively looking to start new ones if I can sell the ideas to my customers. We are on the lookout for qualified people so if someone is interested in a position = in South Florida, you can always send me your resume at mcondic (at) belcan (dot) com And Richard, I hope this didn't sound like I was in any way criticizing = you. I guess I have been as frustrated with the whole conduct of "The = Mandate" as any of us and I just see the proper response to the whole debacle as = being one of "Lets forget 'The Mandate' and go forth and demonstrate Ada is = better by building useful, successful products with it." If the DoD contractors = had quit whining about Ada and just gone forth figuring out how to use it successfully to build *their* products, both they and Ada would have = been better off. If we're right and Ada *is* better at building apps, then we ought to be able to make successful commercial products with it and out-compete the folks using C/C++/Java/etc. MDC -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "Going cold turkey isn't as delicious as it sounds." -- H. Simpson =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Marin David Condic wrote in message news:b3nkfo$r8e$1@slb9.atl.mindspring.net... > If we build things in Ada, this starts making it more viable. When you hack > tools for your job, use Ada. When you look at new startup projects, = use Ada. > Go out and dream up a product you might sell to the world and use Ada = to > develop it. Successful businesses that use Ada will do a lot more to = spur > Ada usage than anything else. It would create *jobs* that use Ada and people > go where the money is. Most of us here believe in Ada as a better way. = We > need to demonstrate that to the world by using it to build better mousetraps > rather than try to convince through academic arguments. I think that = the > development of some real-world apps with a little "Ada Inside" sticker = in > the corner would do a lot more to promote Ada than anything else. Is anybody > out there building products with Ada to sell to people and generate = jobs? If > not, Ada will become just a language of academic interest with lots of > academic arguments surrounding it. >