From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,6aa6d133611419f5 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-08-27 20:12:05 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: Thought this was interesting Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:10:33 -0700 Organization: ENST, France Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1030504324 43451 137.194.161.2 (28 Aug 2002 03:12:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: X-Envelope-From: rleif@rleif.com X-Envelope-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6QPa9.263438$UU1.44286@sccrnsc03> Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:28470 Date: 2002-08-27T20:10:33-07:00 From: Bob Leif To: Tom Moran et al. Unfortunately, no hungry trial lawyer has really tried this. The readership of Comp.Lang.Ada would be an excellent source of witnesses for the plaintiff(s). I doubt if the present EULAs would be considered by the courts to be a contract negotiated by equals. I believe this is why the industry wants state statutes to protect them from the consequences of malpractice. A few large product defect verdicts would have a very positive effect on software engineering including the use of Ada. -----Original Message----- From: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org [mailto:comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org] On Behalf Of tmoran@acm.org Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:49 AM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: Thought this was interesting The lack of public instances, and the language of EULAs, suggest that you can't sue a vendor for buggy software. In the rest of the world, when people can't use the courts to resolve problems (eg, vendors of illegal products) they develop other methods of conflict resolution. Perhaps some mafia folks whose bookmaking operation lost money due to a bug, will make the vendor an offer he can't refuse.