From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,c6c96fe0302f04f X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-08-16 11:04:03 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: Eric Merritt Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: POLL: Would you use Ada more if... Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Organization: ENST, France Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1029521042 97334 137.194.161.2 (16 Aug 2002 18:04:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <1029516691.277855@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:28130 Date: 2002-08-16T11:03:13-07:00 > No, I think *you* are missing a core concept here. > You are > reacting to your management the way a C programmer > reacts > when told to use Ada. If you are open-minded and > prepared > to learn, you will discover that the business > processes of > the company are there for a reason, and that things > are > much smoother when you act in accordance with them > instead > of fighting them. > (We should probably take this off CLA btw). You can not make a blanket statement that the business processes of a company are there for a reason or that they exist to help a company function. Generally I have found that they are there becuase a person/group of people felt like it was a good idea at some point. In some cases they are a good idea in many others they were not. I question the competency of many of the people making these rules. In the particular situation that I described that started this particular discussion I talked with many of the people responsable for the rules and they were patently incompetant. For example, this particular company had some 70 remote locations that used the software developed in the primary headquarters. One of the policies was that when a programmer completed changes to a program those changes were pushed out immediatly to all 70 remote locations. There as no allowance for QA, no time to test, etc. Do you think this was a good policy? Another of the policies that you are defending was the fact that change management was not permitted in the organization. At some point in the past some idiot had decided that it limited programmer productivity. Once again, do you think this was a good idea? There are many other examples of this type of stupidity, but I think these two serve well. I follow the rules of any company I work for reguardless of how stupid they are becuase that is what I am paid to do. That does not imply that I have to like them or agree with them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com