From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,c6c96fe0302f04f X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-08-16 09:18:03 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!213.56.195.71!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: Eric Merritt Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: POLL: Would you use Ada more if... Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Organization: ENST, France Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1029514682 97072 137.194.161.2 (16 Aug 2002 16:18:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <1029511909.206639@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:28121 Date: 2002-08-16T09:17:54-07:00 > > Odd. As an Ada programmer, you should find this > situation > pleasing. It's the corporate version of Ada's strong > type > checking and syntax. Just as Ada is intended to be > useful > for very large projects, and favors the reader over > the > writer, the bureaucratic nature of the organization > is meant > to support the management of a large number of > employees. It > favors ability to manage over employee convenience. I think you are missing a core concept here. The strong typing and syntax help me get my job done in a stable, fast, and timely manner. A bureaucratic and moribund organization restricts me from getting my job done in a stable, fast and timely manner. The Ada typeing an syntax do not exist simply for the purpose of existing, as I believe many of these bureaucratic organizations do, they exist to help the programmer. Now I will admit that some bureaucracy is required to run an organization but, for some reason, in many organizations the bureaucracy grows from a support structure to manage large numbers of employees to a ravounous beast that sucks the money and life out of an organization. Basically you are saying that becuase Ada constrains the programmer it is like a bureaucracy that constrains an employee. I would refute that by saying there are good constraints and bad constraints. An example of a good constraint is one that restricts a person from murdering another person. An example of a bad constraint is one that restricts a person from reading or traveling. In this reguard Ada is an example of good constraints (constraints that are helpfull and usefull). Bureaucratic organizations are an example of bad constraints (constraints that are harmfull and descructive). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com