From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,28cd155693714664 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-16 20:17:04 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!enst!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: Faulty languages and Liability Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:16:25 -0700 Organization: ENST, France Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1024283823 51006 137.194.161.2 (17 Jun 2002 03:17:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 03:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: X-Envelope-From: rleif@rleif.com X-Envelope-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D0C7C0B.5000707@mail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:26111 Date: 2002-06-16T20:16:25-07:00 From: Bob Leif To: Hyman Rosen, The Ariane 5 was a design defect. The code produced an error exactly as specified. I would consider the actions of some individuals on the Ariane 5 project to be negligence. They specified that code be reused without checking if it still modeled the physics of the system. However, this is a question of French law of which I know very little. US Government mandates are usually not as effective as legal actions. The employees of US enforcement agencies do not work on commission. -----Original Message----- From: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org [mailto:comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org] On Behalf Of Hyman Rosen Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 4:53 AM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: Faulty languages and Liability Robert C. Leif wrote: > I was hoping to find a lawyer to speak on software product liability It's a pretty sad state of affairs when you are reduced to trying to force people to use Ada at the point of a gun. And of course that *was* tried with the govenrnment mandate and it failed. I also point out to you that when your house is broken into or your car is stolen, you're not going to have any luck suing the makers of the locks. If I was sued becuase I didn't use Ada, I would point out to the jury the results of using Ada on the Ariane 5. You may think it's unfair, but, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, my worthy opponent wants my client to use software which demonstrably resulted in millions of dollars of damage and loss.