From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,50601885924edfd3 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-06 08:33:05 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!enst!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: Microsoft .Net, Ada should be at the head of this list Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:32:41 -0700 Organization: ENST, France Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1023377583 3874 137.194.161.2 (6 Jun 2002 15:33:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:33:03 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: X-Envelope-From: rleif@rleif.com X-Envelope-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:25408 Date: 2002-06-06T08:32:41-07:00 From: Bob Leif To: Marin Condic et al. I totally agree. I would also like to add that Ada has very significant commercial advantages beyond the obvious technological ones. 1) It can be created in a distribute environment. I have been in the Microsoft buildings. Bill Gate's builds very good buildings. However, they are expensive. In a distributed environment, there is virtually no building cost overhead. 2) As I have proposed, one can build a program based on ASIS to divide up the royalties. 3) Ada is exotic. One could hype the technology. Ada has only one problem, its culture. Ada started with defense contractors, who are notoriously bad at technology transfer and have minimal entrepreneurial skills. Yes, the responsibility for the lack of use and profit from this remarkable technology is ours. For instance, has any Ada compiler vendor investigated putting their compiler on the Microsoft.Net list? 1. R. C. Leif, "SIGAda '98, Workshop: How do We Expedite the Commercial Use of Ada?." Ada letters XIX, No 1 pp. 28-39 (1999). 2. R. C. Leif, "Ada Developers Cooperative License (Draft) Version 0.3", Ada letters XIX, No 1 pp. 97-107 (1999). -----Original Message----- From: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org [mailto:comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org] On Behalf Of Marin David Condic Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:04 AM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: Microsoft .Net, Ada should be at the head of this list Why is that exclusive of competing with Microsoft? Last time I checked, things like Linux compete with Microsoft. Gnat is a product that competes (to some extent, at least) against MSVC++, doesn't it? Just because a product is Open Source, doesn't mean it isn't a product that competes against Microsoft - or that it can't be sold for profit. And its also fair to note at this juncture that while there is a reasonable amount of complaining here about lack of jobs in Ada, has it occurred to anyone that unless there is some entrepreneurial spirit that starts up businesses to produce products that use Ada in their design & production, there will *never* be any Ada jobs out there? At the moment, the guys who are dreaming up the latest & greatest computer whozits & finding ways of producing those things for profit, tend to think in terms of Java and C++. Hence, you see thousands of small to medium sized companies all around the country looking for Java and C++ programmers. Nobody is going to take their existing products and convert them to Ada just because we think that's cool - *new* things have to be started in Ada and that isn't going to happen unless some Ada-philes dream up products to take to market. But I suppose we can all be intellectually opposed to finding a way of making anything with Ada that will generate a profit and then paradoxically sit around here complaining about the lack of Ada jobs. Its not very constructive, but at least its amusing. :-) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com "Preben Randhol" wrote in message news:slrnafs1ro.aa1.randhol+abuse@kiuk0152.chembio.ntnu.no... > > Anybody interested in tilting at some windmills? :-) > > Heheh no I want to make software that I am free to use. > > "Don't think about domination, think about freedom, it doesn't dominate." > - Richard M. Stallman >