From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,101730fbd6919745 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-10 08:35:22 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!deine.net!freenix!enst!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Alexandre E. Kopilovitch" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada & .Net (Rotor) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:36:32 +0400 (MSD) Organization: h w c employees, b f Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1018452483 31035 137.194.161.2 (10 Apr 2002 15:28:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.44 MSDOS] Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22319 Date: 2002-04-10T19:36:32+04:00 Pascal Obry wrote: >but if the .NET was the answer, what was the question ? A market >share, the fight with SUN and Java... what's the real value for the >enterprises ? Surely the .NET is a big enterprise of a huge company, and as such it has many sides and aims. But as you ask about the real value, I suppose you mean a value for programming (or software engineering) progress... Personally I prefer to consider .NET as an attempt to build something like SuperDelphi (but certainly in Microsoft's envelope). I did not yet look at the .NET (although I have read C# draft docs when it was made available), so all what I can say about it is a pure guess, and those who do not need the guesses in the presence of real things should not read this message further. Note three things: 1) chief architect for Delphi and for the .NET is the same person; 2) COM (read COM+ if you like) is already well-established object system, independent of a particular programming language; 3) Microsoft Visual Studio already has quite good IDE with many advanced features, and is generally approved by programming community. So, why not to combine the things? Well, it requires huge efforts, but Microsoft can afford that (and thanks Sun, has a stimulus to do that). And it seems quite possible that the Delphi's chief architect might consider that as an excellent challenge - to build the Super Delphi, with COM instead of Object Pascal objects, CLI in the place of VCL etc. In addition, I found it particularly interesting that some part of the .NET will be somehow available on FreeBSD (as "David C. Hoos" pointed out in his reply about the "Rotor": "...a substantial subset of what is available in the Microsoft .NET Framework. The source code will build and run under Windows XP or FreeBSD 4.5, ..."). Alexander Kopilovitch aek@vib.usr.pu.ru Saint-Petersburg Russia