From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,92c39a3be0a7f17d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-12-19 22:22:04 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!skynet.be!skynet.be!freenix!enst!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif, Ph.D." Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: Portable GUI (was Re: Future with Ada) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:19:30 -0800 Organization: ENST, France Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1008829322 49497 137.194.161.2 (20 Dec 2001 06:22:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 06:22:02 +0000 (UTC) To: Return-Path: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:18134 Date: 2001-12-19T22:19:30-08:00 From: Bob Leif To: Steve Doiel et al. I totally agree that one needs marketing and could play the tricks that Microsoft learned from IBM, who probably learned them from some other company. However, there are enough intelligent customers who would appreciate honesty, quality, simplicity, and reliability to do quite well. Microsoft is now behaving like an American automobile manufacturer in the 1960s. No one in Detroit would listen to Deming about statistical quality control. The Japanese to their everlasting credit did and quite properly took away a large part of the American automobile market. I just spent a significant amount of time and failed to upgrade from Windows Me to XP. Even though XP never loaded, I still had to reload some of the drivers for ME. After an hour, XP reported that it did not work with my onboard UDMA (EIDE)disc controller. Just as the hubris of IBM contributed to the success of the then under-dog Microsoft, the present hubris of Microsoft has made a market for the developers of reliable software. XML is a good technology, which has the great advantage of both providing portability and the even greater advantage of having been accepted as providing portability. -----Original Message----- From: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org [mailto:comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org]On Behalf Of Steve Doiel Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:01 PM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: Portable GUI (was Re: Future with Ada) If you really want it to sell as an Ada environment. #1 Make the GUI Windows only. #2 Make the only productive development environment Ada 95. #3 Create the "perception" that the Ada 95 development enviroment is more friendly than the others (it doesn't really have to be). #4 Spark some hype (I don't know how this is effectively done, if I did I'd be rich). It worked for Micro$oft. ;-) "Robert C. Leif, Ph.D." wrote in message news:mailman.1008747421.26661.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org... > From: Bob Leif > To: Mark Lundquist > If you base the entire GUI on the parts of XML that use XML syntax, you > probably would have a chance at becoming very rich. It would employ the hot > buzz word, XML, and be backed by solid technology, Ada. > > One of the major reasons for Microsoft's success is the technical > incompetence of its competitors. First they were dumb enough to try to beat > Microsoft by employing Microsoft's own products; and after that, they > adopted Java as a panacea. > > Reliability and simplicity are really major selling points. We should have > both of them by combining XML with Ada. Ada has a very great advantage for > commercial development in that a tool based on ASIS could be used to divide > up the royalties. If anyone is serious about making Ada number one and > attempting to make money doing it, we can take this discussion off-line. >