From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,92c39a3be0a7f17d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-12-16 07:33:06 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!enst!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: Eric Merritt Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Future with Ada Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 07:32:03 -0800 (PST) Organization: ENST, France Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1008516782 95672 137.194.161.2 (16 Dec 2001 15:33:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:33:02 +0000 (UTC) To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <9vi9u5$c8t$2@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:17969 Date: 2001-12-16T07:32:03-08:00 > It doesn't cost any money, you can use it with your > mouse, > but you first have to do what you have to do for > efficient > use of _any_ decent IDE: read a few pages of > documentation. > > The thing is called Ada mode for Emacs + GNAT ali > files. > You are not surprised, are you? Ah, but one of the reasons the this discussion is taking place is to attract new Ada programmers. Emacs is a very unsexy thing, its multitude of commands and somewhat cryptic use (from a new users perspective) make it extreamly unfriendly for the first month or so. This is bad for the language as a whole as it requires a fair amount of commitment to learning the editor even before a user really gives the language a chance to prove itself. Personally I find emacs distasteful in the extreme, I just don't tend to think in the way emacs requires. Don't get me wrong, I realize the emacs is extremely productive I just don't like it. I think allot of programmers in my age group (mid-late twenties) feel the same way. Most that I know started out in IDEs and though we can use the command line and editors like emacs well we generally don't choose to. It may be that this IDE becomes an entry point for Ada and later in the learning process students realize the power of emacs and move to that environment. In any case, a good professional quality IDE will never hurt Ada and can only help it. At the moment I have been using code forge which has good support for Ada and is not terribly expensive. Its not quite as nice as an Ada dedicated IDE would be but fits the bill for now. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com