* re: Ada IDE @ 2001-11-15 8:48 Soeren.Henssel-Rasmussen 2001-11-19 16:13 ` Maxim Reznik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Soeren.Henssel-Rasmussen @ 2001-11-15 8:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: comp.lang.ada As a generel tool you might have a look on Eclipse Open Source Project (=> http://eclipse.org/) from IBM. It requires a quite labours registration process but the tool is worth it. There is no direct Ada support though, but it is easy to make your own configuration. /søren Søren Henssel-Rasmussen Nokia Mobile Phones, R&D Copenhagen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-15 8:48 Ada IDE Soeren.Henssel-Rasmussen @ 2001-11-19 16:13 ` Maxim Reznik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Maxim Reznik @ 2001-11-19 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 865 bytes --] <Soeren.Henssel-Rasmussen@nokia.com> wrote in message news:mailman.1005814193.21316.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org... >As a generel tool you might have a look on Eclipse Open Source Project (=> >http://eclipse.org/) from IBM. It requires a quite labours registration >process but the tool is worth it. There is no direct Ada support though, but >it is easy to make your own configuration. >/s�ren >S�ren Henssel-Rasmussen >Nokia Mobile Phones, R&D Copenhagen easy to make ??? It seems you need 6M of code to have working Java Developing Tool. I think Ada support will have about the same amount of code. But itself Eclipse looks very impressive. It would be nice to have Ada support in it. It works rather fast on my spare computer (unlike other Java applications). I think it could be possible to use JGNAT to develop Ada support Plugin! -- Maxim Reznik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* ada IDE @ 2006-04-18 6:54 Ananth the Boss [not found] ` <a9894219nlg47j36qsi17c56613avf5fgn@4ax.com> 2006-04-18 23:29 ` Jeffrey Creem 0 siblings, 2 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Ananth the Boss @ 2006-04-18 6:54 UTC (permalink / raw) we are involved in development of safety critical software for flight apps. can ny one say which is the best IDE for ADA for development of flight software ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
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* Re: ada IDE [not found] ` <a9894219nlg47j36qsi17c56613avf5fgn@4ax.com> @ 2006-04-18 8:52 ` wangcity 2006-04-18 9:12 ` Peter Hermann 2006-04-18 14:48 ` Justin Gombos 1 sibling, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: wangcity @ 2006-04-18 8:52 UTC (permalink / raw) > IOW: it is a highly personal decision... With both AdaGIDE and the > GPL GPS available to me, I still find the minimal AdaGIDE more useful > for editing... (though GPS does have a nice search capability). where can download the two Ada IDE software? thanks! wangcity@gmail.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE 2006-04-18 8:52 ` wangcity @ 2006-04-18 9:12 ` Peter Hermann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Peter Hermann @ 2006-04-18 9:12 UTC (permalink / raw) wangcity@gmail.com wrote: > where can download the two Ada IDE software? http://www.martincarlisle.com/adagide.html -- --Peter.Hermann@ihr.uni-stuttgart.de (+49)0711-685-87244 --Nobelstr.19 Raum 0.030, D-70569 Stuttgart IHR Hoechstleistungsrechnen --http://www.ihr.uni-stuttgart.de/ Fax 0711-89238279 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE [not found] ` <a9894219nlg47j36qsi17c56613avf5fgn@4ax.com> 2006-04-18 8:52 ` wangcity @ 2006-04-18 14:48 ` Justin Gombos 2006-04-18 18:16 ` Simon Wright 1 sibling, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Justin Gombos @ 2006-04-18 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw) Mr. Bieber's answer is a good one. I just wanted to add that some IDEs are better than others when it comes to supporting external editors. Whatever direction you take should not inhibit users from using their preferred editors. Particularly users who have strong emacs or vi skills are going to be more efficient than GUI users in terms of text generation; and you'll want to leverage that. Emacs with adamode is a good IDE on its own, however I'm not sure if it would be straight forward to configure emacs to spawn instances of another editor for non-emacs users. -- PM instructions: do a C4esar Ciph3r on my address; retain punctuation. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE 2006-04-18 14:48 ` Justin Gombos @ 2006-04-18 18:16 ` Simon Wright 2006-04-18 18:41 ` Georg Bauhaus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Simon Wright @ 2006-04-18 18:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Justin Gombos <rpbkbq.xax.gld@uluv.kbq> writes: > Emacs with adamode is a good IDE on its own, however I'm not sure if > it would be straight forward to configure emacs to spawn instances > of another editor for non-emacs users. I understand that GPS can be configured to use an external editor (eg emacs). OP: for a tryout of (nearly) the latest GNAT software, go to http://libre.adacore.com/ for GNAT and GPS; note this GNAT is not licensed suitably for commercial development, for that you need to pay -- the same site gives you pointers to getting evaluations of paid-for support for AdaCore's product, but of course there are other vendors -- Aonix for example. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE 2006-04-18 18:16 ` Simon Wright @ 2006-04-18 18:41 ` Georg Bauhaus 2006-04-18 21:19 ` Simon Wright 0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2006-04-18 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Simon Wright wrote: > http://libre.adacore.com/ for GNAT and GPS; note this GNAT is not > licensed suitably for commercial development, This GNAT is licensed, and if the license (GPL) meets your business needs (and you can be sure you don't need support from AdaCore), then for sure this GNAT is suitable for commercial development. > but of course there are other vendors > -- Aonix for example. Yes. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE 2006-04-18 18:41 ` Georg Bauhaus @ 2006-04-18 21:19 ` Simon Wright 0 siblings, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Simon Wright @ 2006-04-18 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Georg Bauhaus <bauhaus@futureapps.de> writes: > Simon Wright wrote: > >> http://libre.adacore.com/ for GNAT and GPS; note this GNAT is not >> licensed suitably for commercial development, > > This GNAT is licensed, and if the license (GPL) meets your > business needs (and you can be sure you don't need support > from AdaCore), then for sure this GNAT is suitable for > commercial development. Yes, I was going to add that but the thought got lost on the way .. sorry, all. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE 2006-04-18 6:54 ada IDE Ananth the Boss [not found] ` <a9894219nlg47j36qsi17c56613avf5fgn@4ax.com> @ 2006-04-18 23:29 ` Jeffrey Creem 2006-04-19 7:27 ` wangcity 2006-06-11 2:45 ` Chip and Allie Orange 1 sibling, 2 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey Creem @ 2006-04-18 23:29 UTC (permalink / raw) Ananth the Boss wrote: > we are involved in development of safety critical software for flight > apps. can ny one say which is the best IDE for ADA for development of > flight software > If you are doing safety critical software (assuming you mean something like DO-178b level a or b) then the IDE is really secondary to the compiler/runtime. Pick that first and it will help guide you to an IDE. You probably can't pick the compiler/runtime (or perhaps OS) until you know what your hardware platform is (unless there is some flexibility there). If you select something like Greenhills Ada with the Integrity OS then it would be silly to consider GPS. There is really not enough in the question to respond to this all that clearly. The high level choices will be something from Greenhills/Greenhills www.ghs.com (perhaps integrity (OS) with AdaMULT (compiler). or WindRiver/AdaCore www.wrs.com with www.gnat.com (vxWorks with the ARINC 653 with GNAT). or BAE Systems/DDC-I http://platformsolutions.na.baesystems.com:8080/CsLeos/CsLEOS.jsp or Aonix/Aonix http://www.aonix.com/objectada.html There might also be someting in the lynxos/GNAT cagegory to consider..not sure. In any case, these seem to be the big players in the area. Disclaimer -- I work at BAE SYSTEMS for my day job. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE 2006-04-18 23:29 ` Jeffrey Creem @ 2006-04-19 7:27 ` wangcity 2006-06-11 2:45 ` Chip and Allie Orange 1 sibling, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: wangcity @ 2006-04-19 7:27 UTC (permalink / raw) thank you of all those info is very useful for me. i will from gnat begin. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE 2006-04-18 23:29 ` Jeffrey Creem 2006-04-19 7:27 ` wangcity @ 2006-06-11 2:45 ` Chip and Allie Orange 2006-06-11 15:57 ` Jeffrey Creem 1 sibling, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Chip and Allie Orange @ 2006-06-11 2:45 UTC (permalink / raw) "Jeffrey Creem" <jeff@thecreems.com> wrote in message news:da9gh3-p7k.ln1@newserver.thecreems.com... > Ananth the Boss wrote: >> we are involved in development of safety critical software for flight >> apps. can ny one say which is the best IDE for ADA for development of >> flight software >> > > If you are doing safety critical software (assuming you mean something > like DO-178b level a or b) then the IDE is really secondary to the > compiler/runtime. Pick that first and it will help guide you to an IDE. > You probably can't pick the compiler/runtime (or perhaps OS) until you > know what your hardware platform is (unless there is some flexibility > there). > > If you select something like Greenhills Ada with the Integrity OS then it > would be silly to consider GPS. > > There is really not enough in the question to respond to this all that > clearly. > > > The high level choices will be something from > > Greenhills/Greenhills > www.ghs.com (perhaps integrity (OS) with AdaMULT (compiler). > or > > WindRiver/AdaCore > www.wrs.com with www.gnat.com (vxWorks with the ARINC 653 with GNAT). > > or > > BAE Systems/DDC-I > > http://platformsolutions.na.baesystems.com:8080/CsLeos/CsLEOS.jsp > > or > > Aonix/Aonix > > http://www.aonix.com/objectada.html > > > There might also be someting in the lynxos/GNAT cagegory to consider..not > sure. > > In any case, these seem to be the big players in the area. > I'm just learning Ada for some after-hours programming (not my day job). I have a relative who works for the IBM/Rational group which puts out the Ada Apex system. Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't they make your list? Thanks. Chip ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE 2006-06-11 2:45 ` Chip and Allie Orange @ 2006-06-11 15:57 ` Jeffrey Creem 2006-06-12 12:32 ` Chip and Allie Orange 2006-06-17 1:05 ` Randy Brukardt 0 siblings, 2 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey Creem @ 2006-06-11 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) Chip and Allie Orange wrote: > "Jeffrey Creem" <jeff@thecreems.com> wrote in message > news:da9gh3-p7k.ln1@newserver.thecreems.com... > >>Ananth the Boss wrote: >> >>>we are involved in development of safety critical software for flight >>>apps. can ny one say which is the best IDE for ADA for development of >>>flight software >>> >> >>If you are doing safety critical software (assuming you mean something >>like DO-178b level a or b) then the IDE is really secondary to the >>compiler/runtime. Pick that first and it will help guide you to an IDE. >>You probably can't pick the compiler/runtime (or perhaps OS) until you >>know what your hardware platform is (unless there is some flexibility >>there). >> >>If you select something like Greenhills Ada with the Integrity OS then it >>would be silly to consider GPS. >> >>There is really not enough in the question to respond to this all that >>clearly. >> >> >>The high level choices will be something from >> >>Greenhills/Greenhills >>www.ghs.com (perhaps integrity (OS) with AdaMULT (compiler). >>or >> >>WindRiver/AdaCore >>www.wrs.com with www.gnat.com (vxWorks with the ARINC 653 with GNAT). >> >>or >> >>BAE Systems/DDC-I >> >>http://platformsolutions.na.baesystems.com:8080/CsLeos/CsLEOS.jsp >> >>or >> >>Aonix/Aonix >> >>http://www.aonix.com/objectada.html >> >> >>There might also be someting in the lynxos/GNAT cagegory to consider..not >>sure. >> >>In any case, these seem to be the big players in the area. >> > > I'm just learning Ada for some after-hours programming (not my day job). I > have a relative who works for the IBM/Rational group which puts out the Ada > Apex system. > > Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't they make your list? > > Thanks. > > Chip > > > Good question. Truthfully, I probably should have included them. I still use Apex in my day job (an older version of it)..There certainly are some nice features about it even though (at least the version I use) is really starting to show its age it is interesting that it has taken many years for other languages/tools/ide's to catch up to the level of integration that Apex had more than 10 years ago. So, there certainly are some positives for this tool suite. As for the negatives that probably partially led to me just forgetting to list them... It appears that every time you contact ibm/rational sales to buy a tool they want to "craft a solution" for you that involves both expensive tools, expensive support services and a pile of things you don't want or need. For example, take a look at the "off the shelf" options for Apex http://www3.software.ibm.com/ibmdl/pub/software/rational/web/datasheets/ada.pdf There are four choices. The base edition is not right for the original question since one can reasonably assume the need of a cross compiler (because this is embedded flight software). The "Embedded Developer" edition would just about fit the bill, but it is listed as "Solaris" only in the PDF file. This is generally a code word for "dead product we only still list because we still can manage to pawn off licenses on some legacy customer". Each of the other two versions have "Enterprise" in the title. This is a code word for "big expensive tool that includes a lot of stuff that you probably don't want but allows is to bundle things to prevent you from justifying the use of the tools you really want from a different vendor". In this case, it means it includes Rational Rose, TestMate, etc. (And of course Rose is slowly heading out since there are newer IBM design tools). There are probably projects/companies for which this approach to selling tools works out really well. For me, it seems like their Ada products (or truthfully any of their single products) get lost in the noise of the "craft a solution" approach that the sales staff shows up with when talking about tools. Here is another example. Interested in trials/beta's of the software. Go here http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/home.jsp?s=p Hmm. No apex, no Ada, nothing embedded at all. But if you are maintaining a website there is all sorts of stuff here.. I wonder where people get the idea that there is no commitment from the vendor to support the product...must just be me. Now again, to be fair, this probably has as much to do with the types of customers that want those tools as it does with the commitment tool any particular tool... Finally, here is the last reason. Go to www.ibm.com - See the word Ada on the page...Hmm... Nope. Ok..Big company, click on software. See the work ada on the page...Nope..Ok big company. Click on products by category. See the word Ada on the page? Nope, ok. Lots of tools. Click "Traditional Programming Languages". See the word Ada on the page? Yes!.. Yippie Got there. Of course, once you clock the "Learn About" link, the most up to date thing on the page looks like some announcement about IBM Rational Ada Developer Interface for AXI which is bindings for X-Windows Motif.....It feels so 90's. Finally, even after a lot of clicking, one never does see any mention of DO-178B/Ada on any page and remember that was what the original poster was looking for. Now, compare this to the other vendors I listed. www.ghs.com - Ada on front page. DO-178B on front page www.gnat.com - Ada allover the front page, new vxWorks on the front page (Active development). Ada 2006 information on front page (Active development) safety-critical on front page (original poster question). do-178b on front page. csLEOS link combined with DDCI-compiler. Ok. DO-178B on front page of Csleos link (no area but this is the OS company), Going to the compiler vendor Ada on front page. Safety critical on front page. Going to Aonix. Ada on front page, DO-178B on front page. So, all-in-all I think I stand by my original list which excluded IBM Apex. If the poster had just asked for "list some Ada IDEs" then maybe I would have listed them even giving the general concerns I have with the vendor. But given that the original question was safety critical Ada, I think it was the right choice. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE 2006-06-11 15:57 ` Jeffrey Creem @ 2006-06-12 12:32 ` Chip and Allie Orange 2006-06-12 23:08 ` Jeffrey Creem 2006-06-17 1:05 ` Randy Brukardt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Chip and Allie Orange @ 2006-06-12 12:32 UTC (permalink / raw) "Jeffrey Creem" <jeff@thecreems.com> wrote in message news:15rtl3-d12.ln1@newserver.thecreems.com... > Chip and Allie Orange wrote: >> "Jeffrey Creem" <jeff@thecreems.com> wrote in message >> news:da9gh3-p7k.ln1@newserver.thecreems.com... >> >>>Ananth the Boss wrote: >>> >>>>we are involved in development of safety critical software for flight >>>>apps. can ny one say which is the best IDE for ADA for development of >>>>flight software >>>> >>> >>>If you are doing safety critical software (assuming you mean something >>>like DO-178b level a or b) then the IDE is really secondary to the >>>compiler/runtime. Pick that first and it will help guide you to an IDE. >>>You probably can't pick the compiler/runtime (or perhaps OS) until you >>>know what your hardware platform is (unless there is some flexibility >>>there). >>> >>>If you select something like Greenhills Ada with the Integrity OS then it >>>would be silly to consider GPS. >>> >>>There is really not enough in the question to respond to this all that >>>clearly. >>> >>> >>>The high level choices will be something from >>> >>>Greenhills/Greenhills >>>www.ghs.com (perhaps integrity (OS) with AdaMULT (compiler). >>>or >>> >>>WindRiver/AdaCore >>>www.wrs.com with www.gnat.com (vxWorks with the ARINC 653 with GNAT). >>> >>>or >>> >>>BAE Systems/DDC-I >>> >>>http://platformsolutions.na.baesystems.com:8080/CsLeos/CsLEOS.jsp >>> >>>or >>> >>>Aonix/Aonix >>> >>>http://www.aonix.com/objectada.html >>> >>> >>>There might also be someting in the lynxos/GNAT cagegory to consider..not >>>sure. >>> >>>In any case, these seem to be the big players in the area. >>> >> >> I'm just learning Ada for some after-hours programming (not my day job). >> I have a relative who works for the IBM/Rational group which puts out the >> Ada Apex system. >> >> Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't they make your list? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Chip >> >> >> > > Good question. Truthfully, I probably should have included them. > > I still use Apex in my day job (an older version of it)..There certainly > are some nice features about it even though (at least the version I use) > is really starting to show its age it is interesting that it has taken > many years for other languages/tools/ide's to catch up to the level of > integration that Apex had more than 10 years ago. > > So, there certainly are some positives for this tool suite. > > As for the negatives that probably partially led to me just forgetting to > list them... > > It appears that every time you contact ibm/rational sales to buy a tool > they want to "craft a solution" for you that involves both expensive > tools, expensive support services and a pile of things you don't want or > need. > > > For example, take a look at the "off the shelf" options for Apex > > http://www3.software.ibm.com/ibmdl/pub/software/rational/web/datasheets/ada.pdf > > There are four choices. > > The base edition is not right for the original question since one can > reasonably assume the need of a cross compiler (because this is embedded > flight software). > > The "Embedded Developer" edition would just about fit the bill, but it is > listed as "Solaris" only in the PDF file. This is generally a code word > for "dead product we only still list because we still can manage to pawn > off licenses on some legacy customer". > > Each of the other two versions have "Enterprise" in the title. This is a > code word for "big expensive tool that includes a lot of stuff that you > probably don't want but allows is to bundle things to prevent you from > justifying the use of the tools you really want from a different vendor". > > In this case, it means it includes Rational Rose, TestMate, etc. (And of > course Rose is slowly heading out since there are newer IBM design tools). > > > There are probably projects/companies for which this approach to selling > tools works out really well. For me, it seems like their Ada products (or > truthfully any of their single products) get lost in the noise of the > "craft a solution" approach that the sales staff shows up with when > talking about tools. > > Here is another example. Interested in trials/beta's of the software. > > Go here > http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/home.jsp?s=p > > Hmm. No apex, no Ada, nothing embedded at all. But if you are maintaining > a website there is all sorts of stuff here.. I wonder where people get > the idea that there is no commitment from the vendor to support the > product...must just be me. > > Now again, to be fair, this probably has as much to do with the types of > customers that want those tools as it does with the commitment tool any > particular tool... > > Finally, here is the last reason. > > Go to www.ibm.com - See the word Ada on the page...Hmm... Nope. Ok..Big > company, click on software. See the work ada on the page...Nope..Ok big > company. Click on products by category. See the word Ada on the page? > Nope, ok. Lots of tools. Click "Traditional Programming Languages". See > the word Ada on the page? Yes!.. Yippie Got there. Of course, once you > clock the "Learn About" link, the most up to date thing on the page looks > like some announcement about IBM Rational Ada Developer Interface for AXI > which is bindings for X-Windows Motif.....It feels so 90's. > > > Finally, even after a lot of clicking, one never does see any mention of > DO-178B/Ada on any page and remember that was what the original poster was > looking for. > > > Now, compare this to the other vendors I listed. > > www.ghs.com - Ada on front page. DO-178B on front page > > www.gnat.com - Ada allover the front page, new vxWorks on the front page > (Active development). Ada 2006 information on front page (Active > development) safety-critical on front page (original poster question). > do-178b on front page. > > > csLEOS link combined with DDCI-compiler. > Ok. DO-178B on front page of Csleos link (no area but this is the OS > company), Going to the compiler vendor Ada on front page. Safety critical > on front page. > > > Going to Aonix. Ada on front page, DO-178B on front page. > > So, all-in-all I think I stand by my original list which excluded IBM > Apex. If the poster had just asked for "list some Ada IDEs" then maybe I > would have listed them even giving the general concerns I have with the > vendor. > > But given that the original question was safety critical Ada, I think it > was the right choice. > > > Thanks Jeffrey for your thoughts ... Didn't mean to imply any criticism of your list, just needed some education and some opinions from someone not working for a vendor. Chip ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE 2006-06-12 12:32 ` Chip and Allie Orange @ 2006-06-12 23:08 ` Jeffrey Creem 0 siblings, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey Creem @ 2006-06-12 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw) Chip and Allie Orange wrote: > > Thanks Jeffrey for your thoughts ... Didn't mean to imply any criticism of > your list, just needed some education and some opinions from someone not > working for a vendor. > > Chip > > > Sorry if the response had a negative tone. I did not take the questioning in a negative light. (Even if the reponse carried a tone that made it sound like I did :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: ada IDE 2006-06-11 15:57 ` Jeffrey Creem 2006-06-12 12:32 ` Chip and Allie Orange @ 2006-06-17 1:05 ` Randy Brukardt 1 sibling, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Randy Brukardt @ 2006-06-17 1:05 UTC (permalink / raw) "Jeffrey Creem" <jeff@thecreems.com> wrote in message news:15rtl3-d12.ln1@newserver.thecreems.com... ... > So, all-in-all I think I stand by my original list which excluded IBM > Apex. If the poster had just asked for "list some Ada IDEs" then maybe I > would have listed them even giving the general concerns I have with the > vendor. I wouldn't have been *quite* so negative. The technical team for Apex is intact and continuing development of their products. (Their participation in the ARG and in the ARA should make that clear.) The problem is that they don't have *anyone* assigned to marketing/selling Ada at IBM. (The last dedicated Ada sales guy left last summer.) It's a side project for anyone in sales there, and thus it's visibility is very low. The question comes down to buying the technical team. I don't know of many better than that at IBM/Rational for Ada, and their support is reported to be excellent (my own experiences with Claw agreed with that). Randy Brukardt. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Ada IDE @ 2001-11-14 18:45 Jean-David Tr�panier 2001-11-14 19:00 ` Preben Randhol ` (4 more replies) 0 siblings, 5 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Jean-David Tr�panier @ 2001-11-14 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 190 bytes --] I am learning Ada and I wondering if there is any good application on Win95 to compile and manage Ada project like MS Visual Studio? Thanks Jean-David Tr�panier (JDT@hy.cgocable.ca) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-14 18:45 Ada IDE Jean-David Tr�panier @ 2001-11-14 19:00 ` Preben Randhol 2001-11-14 21:01 ` Pascal Obry 2001-11-14 19:09 ` Johannes Lechner ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2001-11-14 19:00 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:45:01 -0500, Jean-David Tr�panier wrote: > I am learning Ada and I wondering if there is any good application on Win95 > to compile and manage Ada project like MS Visual Studio? You can try adaGide. You find it from here: http://home.trouwweb.nl/Jerry/compilers.html There is also a very nice debugger called GVD: http://libre.act-europe.fr/gvd/ Preben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-14 19:00 ` Preben Randhol @ 2001-11-14 21:01 ` Pascal Obry 2001-11-15 7:36 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Pascal Obry @ 2001-11-14 21:01 UTC (permalink / raw) Preben Randhol <randhol+abuse@pvv.org> writes: > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:45:01 -0500, Jean-David Tr�panier wrote: > > I am learning Ada and I wondering if there is any good application on Win95 > > to compile and manage Ada project like MS Visual Studio? > > You can try adaGide. > You find it from here: http://home.trouwweb.nl/Jerry/compilers.html No AdaGide is a misleading pointer. It is ok to compile but not to "manage Ada project like MS Visual Studio" ! For this I see either GLIDE, far from MS Visual Studio look-and-feel but with project management features, or Aonix ObjectAda which is certainly looking very much like MS Visual Studio. > There is also a very nice debugger called GVD: > http://libre.act-europe.fr/gvd/ Agreed. Pascal. -- --|------------------------------------------------------ --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE --|------------------------------------------------------ --| http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.obry --| --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-14 21:01 ` Pascal Obry @ 2001-11-15 7:36 ` Preben Randhol 2001-11-15 12:29 ` Wilhelm Spickermann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2001-11-15 7:36 UTC (permalink / raw) On 14 Nov 2001 22:01:50 +0100, Pascal Obry wrote: > No AdaGide is a misleading pointer. It is ok to compile but not to "manage Ada > project like MS Visual Studio" ! For this I see either GLIDE, far from MS OK. I have never used/seen MS Visual Studio. Glide is probably nice if you have the money to buy a supported version of Gnat (At least I cannot find any info that it is otherwise available on the gnat web-site. Wish they had better screen shots so you could actually see what it is too :-( ) Preben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-15 7:36 ` Preben Randhol @ 2001-11-15 12:29 ` Wilhelm Spickermann 2001-11-15 13:24 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Wilhelm Spickermann @ 2001-11-15 12:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: comp.lang.ada --On Donnerstag, November 15, 2001 07:36:47 +0000 Preben Randhol <randhol+abuse@pvv.org> wrote: > Glide is probably nice if > you have the money to buy a supported version of Gnat (At > least I cannot find any info that it is otherwise available on > the gnat web-site. Wish they had better screen shots so you > could actually see what it is too :-( ) You use Linux IIRC. At least the gnat-RPMs from ALT contain glide... (But if you still want screen shots, I can make some.) Wilhelm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-15 12:29 ` Wilhelm Spickermann @ 2001-11-15 13:24 ` Preben Randhol 2001-11-15 15:10 ` Wilhelm Spickermann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2001-11-15 13:24 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:29:10 +0100, Wilhelm Spickermann wrote: > > > --On Donnerstag, November 15, 2001 07:36:47 +0000 Preben Randhol ><randhol+abuse@pvv.org> wrote: > >> Glide is probably nice if >> you have the money to buy a supported version of Gnat (At >> least I cannot find any info that it is otherwise available on >> the gnat web-site. Wish they had better screen shots so you >> could actually see what it is too :-( ) > > You use Linux IIRC. At least the gnat-RPMs from ALT contain > glide... Hmm, this is not in the Debian package. But does Glide use Emacs? Preben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-15 13:24 ` Preben Randhol @ 2001-11-15 15:10 ` Wilhelm Spickermann 2001-11-15 15:33 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Wilhelm Spickermann @ 2001-11-15 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: comp.lang.ada --On Donnerstag, November 15, 2001 13:24:25 +0000 Preben Randhol <randhol+abuse@pvv.org> wrote: > Hmm, this is not in the Debian package. But does Glide use > Emacs? Yes, it´s (in the ALT RPM) a script which checks for emacs, xemacs (just to tell that it it doesn´t work properly with xemacs) and starts a program called glideint with the path to the emacs binary as a parameter. What you really see is an emacs with ada-mode, project-files, an additional window showing directories, files, procedures, ... Wilhelm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-15 15:10 ` Wilhelm Spickermann @ 2001-11-15 15:33 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2001-11-15 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:10:08 +0100, Wilhelm Spickermann wrote: > > Yes, it�s (in the ALT RPM) a script which checks for emacs, > xemacs (just to tell that it it doesn�t work properly with > xemacs) and starts a program called glideint with the path to > the emacs binary as a parameter. What you really see is an emacs > with ada-mode, project-files, an additional window showing > directories, files, procedures, ... Ah :-) I use vim. One of them ;-) Preben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-14 18:45 Ada IDE Jean-David Tr�panier 2001-11-14 19:00 ` Preben Randhol @ 2001-11-14 19:09 ` Johannes Lechner 2001-11-14 19:18 ` Ted Dennison ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Johannes Lechner @ 2001-11-14 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 417 bytes --] Hi! > I am learning Ada and I wondering if there is any good application on Win95 > to compile and manage Ada project like MS Visual Studio? Yeah, there is! Take a look at ObjectADA: http://www.aonix.com/content/products/objectada/windows.html The "Special Edition" is free of charge, due to some restrictions. Greets, -- Johannes Lechner � Mail@J-Lechner.de � PGP KeyID: 0x08E0DD38 � ICQ: 55872521 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-14 18:45 Ada IDE Jean-David Tr�panier 2001-11-14 19:00 ` Preben Randhol 2001-11-14 19:09 ` Johannes Lechner @ 2001-11-14 19:18 ` Ted Dennison 2001-11-14 19:19 ` Michal Nowak 2001-11-15 17:03 ` John English 4 siblings, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-14 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 478 bytes --] In article <a%yI7.37525$Y54.1694464@weber.videotron.net>, Jean-David Tr�panier says... > >I am learning Ada and I wondering if there is any good application on Win95 >to compile and manage Ada project like MS Visual Studio? ObjectAda's IDE seems to be modeled on VisualStudio. --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-14 18:45 Ada IDE Jean-David Tr�panier ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2001-11-14 19:18 ` Ted Dennison @ 2001-11-14 19:19 ` Michal Nowak 2001-11-14 21:40 ` Marin David Condic 2001-11-15 17:03 ` John English 4 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Michal Nowak @ 2001-11-14 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: comp.lang.ada usegroup->mailing list gateway >I am learning Ada and I wondering if there is any good application on >Win95 >to compile and manage Ada project like MS Visual Studio? Something like MS Visual Studio is Object Ada from Aonix. Special Edition is available for free from their website, at: http://www.aonix.com/content/products/objectada/windows.html However this free version has some limitations (no more than 2000 lines of code and no more than 35 tasks). Mikeu ----------------------------------------- ____| \%/ |~~\ O | o>> Mike Nowak | T | / > vinnie@inetia.pl | http://www.geocities.com/vinnie14pl _|__ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-14 19:19 ` Michal Nowak @ 2001-11-14 21:40 ` Marin David Condic 2001-11-16 9:18 ` Michal Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-14 21:40 UTC (permalink / raw) And no GUI builder. Rumor has it you can have the full-up Professional edition for $595.00 MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Michal Nowak" <vinnie@inetia.pl> wrote in message news:mailman.1005765434.1080.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org... > > However this free version has some limitations (no more than > 2000 lines of code and no more than 35 tasks). > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-14 21:40 ` Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-16 9:18 ` Michal Nowak 2001-11-16 15:58 ` Marin David Condic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Michal Nowak @ 2001-11-16 9:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: comp.lang.ada usegroup->mailing list gateway On 01-11-14 at 16:40 Marin David Condic wrote: >And no GUI builder. Rumor has it you can have the full-up Professional >edition for $595.00 > >MDC Being a student a having GNAT with all addtions I have no need to buy it now. However this price sounds very attractive (or is it a rumour?). And it shows, that Ada compilers do not have to cost several thousands of dollars. Mike ----------------------------------------- ____| \%/ |~~\ O | o>> Mike Nowak | T | / > vinnie@inetia.pl | http://www.geocities.com/vinnie14pl _|__ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-16 9:18 ` Michal Nowak @ 2001-11-16 15:58 ` Marin David Condic 2001-11-19 0:03 ` Michal Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-16 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw) I sent them an e-mail to ask about getting a version with theGUI builder - this is the price quote I received. I assume all the customary disclaimers apply - subject to change without notice, etc... It is a competitive price with MSVC++, and the environment is immediately familiar to those who know MSVC++. (It would be nice to see something similar with GNAT - not *identical* since there are things I don't like with the MSVC++ style - but with some of the same capabilities.) I'm a little disappointed that the GUI builder does not seem to come with the distribution - or if it does, it doesn't seem to be integrated with the IDE as it is in MSVC++. (I really have not got the time just now to do a really good evaluation of this! Eventually, I'll find that elusive Round Tuit.) The IDE is also not nearly as spiffy - it doesn't break open package specs etc on the left-hand-side and let you point-n-click navigate to items within a package. I have not driven around the debugger to see if it is as spiffy as the one in MSVC++, but then again, this is *Ada* so I wouldn't expect to need it nearly so badly. I ran a little "Hello World" app I wrote for GNAT through it. The program basically attempts to display as many attributes as it can so that you can find out about implementation details. Several things wouldn't compile. Several other things generated constraint errors. I didn't try to analyze all the reasons in depth (it may be "perfectly legal" for an implementation to do it, but I've often harped about how sometimes "perfectly legal" = "totally useless" :-) If anybody is interested, I'll post the code here. I was a little disappointed that it didn't support Long_Long_Float. Basically, you've only got 64 bit floats on a machine that will handle 80-bit floats. Maybe you can Roll Your Own - I didn't check. Also no Long_Long_Integer - limited to 32 bits. If you care, there's no Short_Float either. I don't understand these things being missing since essentially the ARM would let you define things like Long_Long_Float = Long_Float so it shouldn't really cost anything. At least code that used it would compile. Fixed point attributes are also more narrow than on GNAT. Time, Modular numbers, etc. have tighter allowed ranges/accuracies. Storage elements and Streams look the same. Just a FWIW kind of comparison - the math characteristics seem to be more limited than on GNAT given the same hardware. This may allow for better optimized code, but I would think that if you used the same size things in GNAT, you ought to get similarly tight code - but I've never tested that hypothesis. And in most cases, on a PC, I really don't care that much if the resultant code is optimal - just so long as it isn't horrible. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Michal Nowak" <vinnie@inetia.pl> wrote in message news:mailman.1005902126.22826.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org... > On 01-11-14 at 16:40 Marin David Condic wrote: > > >And no GUI builder. Rumor has it you can have the full-up Professional > >edition for $595.00 > > > >MDC > > Being a student a having GNAT with all addtions I have no need to > buy it now. However this price sounds very attractive (or is it > a rumour?). And it shows, that Ada compilers do not have to cost > several thousands of dollars. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-16 15:58 ` Marin David Condic @ 2001-11-19 0:03 ` Michal Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Michal Nowak @ 2001-11-19 0:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: comp.lang.ada usegroup->mailing list gateway On 01-11-16 at 10:58 Marin David Condic wrote: >It is a competitive price with MSVC++, and the environment is immediately >familiar to those who know MSVC++. (It would be nice to see something >similar with GNAT - not *identical* since there are things I don't like >with >the MSVC++ style - but with some of the same capabilities.) > >I'm a little disappointed that the GUI builder does not seem to come with >the distribution - or if it does, it doesn't seem to be integrated with the >IDE as it is in MSVC++. (I really have not got the time just now to do a >really good evaluation of this! Eventually, I'll find that elusive Round >Tuit.) The IDE is also not nearly as spiffy - it doesn't break open package >specs etc on the left-hand-side and let you point-n-click navigate to items >within a package. I have not driven around the debugger to see if it is as >spiffy as the one in MSVC++, but then again, this is *Ada* so I wouldn't >expect to need it nearly so badly. It is in some way integrated - in my Sepcial Edition v7.1 it is under Tools->GUI Builder. In fact, it fires separated application for building all this graphical stuff (as I remember, in MSVC it was tightly integreated with IDE). What I found nice in GUI Builder, that it works in very similiar way, to this from Borland's products. Especially the window 'Project Manager' with properties for these graphical elemnts makes changes quick and easy. Entering code for events associated with objects is also familiar from Borland's builders. There are about 20 of controls, which should be enough for most applications (as I remember, there were lots of them in Delphi or C++ Builder, I have no access to these tool at the moment). I found easy description of how to build first GUI application, but I couldn't do it. For some reasons, I have no possibility (the option in menu is always disabled) to save the GUI project and use it with program. Maybe this is because of limited edition - so I just have the smell of graphical application... The plus of the GUI builder is that all controls are "windows-like". It may sound strange, but when I pointed Jeffrey Carter's Mine Detector Game to some of my friends (who are just typical computer users and have nothing common with operating systems other than Windows), they said, that they felt very strange and have troubles to get familiar with GTK look. After some time, they still look strange at this such GUI. In general, I found it easier to use than MSVC++. I had no trouble to build simple application (although it was no-GUI one, there should be no trouble in building such one). As I remember, when I fired MSVC for the first time I felt terribly lost and spent some time in discovering what is going on there. I had no such troubles with OA. I didn't write any windows GUI apllication under GNAT yet, so I don't know how it goes with CLAW or GWindows. Right know I'm staying with GNAT, but in the future OA may be worthy buying. It is a fine product. Mike ----------------------------------------- ____| \%/ |~~\ O | o>> Mike Nowak | T | / > vinnie@inetia.pl | http://www.geocities.com/vinnie14pl _|__ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-14 18:45 Ada IDE Jean-David Tr�panier ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2001-11-14 19:19 ` Michal Nowak @ 2001-11-15 17:03 ` John English 2001-11-15 23:30 ` Britt Snodgrass 4 siblings, 1 reply; 33+ messages in thread From: John English @ 2001-11-15 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw) "Jean-David Tr�panier" wrote: > > I am learning Ada and I wondering if there is any good application on Win95 > to compile and manage Ada project like MS Visual Studio? Object Ada (www.aonix.com) looks amazingly similar to Visual Studio. It's a commercial product, but there's a free version you can download. ----------------------------------------------------------------- John English | mailto:je@brighton.ac.uk Senior Lecturer | http://www.comp.it.bton.ac.uk/je Dept. of Computing | ** NON-PROFIT CD FOR CS STUDENTS ** University of Brighton | -- see http://burks.bton.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
* Re: Ada IDE 2001-11-15 17:03 ` John English @ 2001-11-15 23:30 ` Britt Snodgrass 0 siblings, 0 replies; 33+ messages in thread From: Britt Snodgrass @ 2001-11-15 23:30 UTC (permalink / raw) John English <je@brighton.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<3BF3F574.6394CDF9@brighton.ac.uk>... > "Jean-David Tr�panier" wrote: > > > > I am learning Ada and I wondering if there is any good application on Win95 > > to compile and manage Ada project like MS Visual Studio? > > Object Ada (www.aonix.com) looks amazingly similar to Visual Studio. > It's a commercial product, but there's a free version you can download. Yes, the free version (ObjectAda 7.2.1 Special Edition) provides a very nice editor for Ada and other languages. It is also trivial to use the ObjectAda editor as a front end for GNAT 3.13p by adding a call to gnatmake to the Tools menu. For learning purposes, it is often helpful to be able to submit the same source file to two different Ada compilers. The free version has some program size restrictions but I don't find them to be a problem for most home or student projects. The free OA 7.2.1 SE is can be downloaded from: http://www.aonix.com/content/products/objectada/windows.html or http://www.aonix.com/content/downloads/objectada/full_721.zip (a very big file) Britt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 33+ messages in thread
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