From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,c62a5e526aafd9d4 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-09-27 00:15:07 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!enst!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif, Ph.D." Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: The Hobby Lobby was Windows CE? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:13:24 -0700 Organization: ENST, France Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1001574906 83903 137.194.161.2 (27 Sep 2001 07:15:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:15:06 +0000 (UTC) To: Return-Path: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:13426 Date: 2001-09-27T00:13:24-07:00 From:Bob Leif To: Ted Dennison et al. The failure of ObjectAda was based on more than the problems with the consumer market. Frankly, although I often disagree with Robert Dewar on economics and marketing, ACT has greatly benefited by creating virtually everything they write in Ada. Yes, they do use GNU components in other languages. However, their Ada shows through very nicely. Also, a very important part of the commercial world is interested in decimals. ACT also has succeeded in attracting some excellent developers of related products. However, if any of the other compiler companies would use as much Ada as possible and would organize a group based on my suggested ADA DEVELOPERS COOPERATIVE LICENSE, then we might see some real competition. The reality is that Ada quality is essential; and a means has to be created to remunerate the developers. My workshop on the symbiosis between Ada and XML will have a few thoughts on how to make some money. In case any of you actually believe that Microsoft is invincible. I just wasted about 3 hours trying to create a proposal in Word. It took about 30 minutes in FrameMaker. I am sure that the other long suffering technical users would desert Microsoft for products that actually worked. -----Original Message----- From: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org [mailto:comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org]On Behalf Of Ted Dennison Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:49 PM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: The Hobby Lobby was Windows CE? In article <3BB22F0E.718B1244@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com>, Wes Groleau says... >Maybe so. Might work after all. OTOH, Linux is much larger physically >than GNAT >and more complicated and had a market already. True. And one should also note that two folks who should know the most about the ability of someone to sell Ada in this market don't think its feasable. Certianly after the failure of ObjectAda in the mass consumer market, I think anyone who believes its doable is going to need to *prove* it. --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html home email - mailto:dennison@telepath.com