From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,c62a5e526aafd9d4 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-09-22 00:02:08 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.43.194.69!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!teaser.fr!enst!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif, Ph.D." Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: Windows CE? Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:59:28 -0700 Organization: ENST, France Sender: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1001142127 72550 137.194.161.2 (22 Sep 2001 07:02:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 07:02:07 +0000 (UTC) To: Return-Path: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3bab55b6.25668108@news.demon.co.uk> Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail<->news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Errors-To: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:13245 Date: 2001-09-21T23:59:28-07:00 From: Bob Leif To: John McCabe et al. This thread is illustrative of the major problem with marketing Ada. Windows CE is obviously a potentially good market for Ada. Unfortunately, it appears that the compiler companies are reticent about creating a product on internal funding. Since the original market for Ada was primarily directed toward the Defense Department, the compiler vendors have had little experience with the consumer market. In most companies, the marketing department would determine if a market had a good chance for profitability and management would authorize the creation of the product. In order for Ada to thrive, Ada vendors are going to have to become more entrepreneurial including learning how to attract capital. The capabilities of Ada technology should be sufficient to attract this capital. However, capitalists look for far more than technology. They look at the track record of the management team and the projections for return on capital. I might note that the number of "hobbyists" is potentially large and could be a source of revenue. However, I suspect that a broad Ada market will require extremely user friendly tools. I also strongly believe that the actual core of Ada is inherently easier that that of its competitors: Java, C, C++, and BASIC. -----Original Message----- From: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org [mailto:comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org]On Behalf Of John McCabe Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 8:01 AM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: Windows CE? On 21 Sep 2001 10:13:25 -0400, Stephen Leake wrote: >john.mccabe@emrad.com.nospam (John McCabe) writes: > >> >> Of course you can justify not doing so by saying there is no demand >> for such a product but this may be one of these cases where people >> don't even stop to consider that there may be an alternative to M$ >> eVC++ and eVB unless the alternative is very visible. > >I read Robert's post as saying something like: > >"If you want us to consider producing such a product, please make a >formal request for an evaluation thru our sales office". Having read a number of Robert's postings before on currently unavailable GNAT versions, I read it as "contact the sales office and we'll see if we can negotiate some way of making it available at your expense".