From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,2d69f4a8070dd707 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-06-06 08:52:24 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!newsfeed1!bredband!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!enst.fr!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: RE: Provisional Standards was RE: Ada.Networks.Sockets hierarchy(Provisional Standard?) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:51:54 -0700 Organization: ENST, France Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.enst.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: avanie.enst.fr 1054914742 18825 137.194.161.2 (6 Jun 2003 15:52:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:52:22 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Warren W. Gay VE3WWG'" , "Comp. Lang. Ada" Return-Path: X-Envelope-From: rleif@rleif.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.4920 Thread-Index: AcMsM6GL+5TBn2UWQwK/Wv1vVGxfQAADdZ4Q In-Reply-To: <3EDFAC9F.5040802@cogeco.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: comp.lang.ada mail to news gateway List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:38760 Date: 2003-06-06T08:51:54-07:00 At least in the case of XML, we have a mandate to do something. I = propose that we start with a "Birds of a Feather" evening meeting at SIGAda = 2003. Presently, the only questions are do we start a mailing list and = establish a repository? My feeling on the mailing list is, unless our fellow readers = of Comp.Lang.Ada decide that no longer want to see comments on this = subject, we continue to use Comp.Lang.Ada. The repository is a much more complicated subject, which should be decided upon by those who provide its contents. Bob Leif -----Original Message----- From: Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [mailto:ve3wwg@cogeco.ca]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:49 PM To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Marin David Condic wrote: > I think that when discussing libraries - especially something like XML = > that might be in quite a state of flux over the years - that we need a = > mechanism different from the ARM. If a "Provisional Standard" = committee=20 > were to exist under some auspices that had the cooperation of some=20 > reasonably large subset of the interested players, they could quickly=20 > react to changes in the real world. XML may win or lose as a standard. = > It might evolve or be "embraced and extended". New technology may = emerge=20 > that makes it obsolete. In this fast paced technological world, nobody = > has a crystal ball that can see better than a year in advance. Waiting = > for the ARM to react is a guarantee of failure. >=20 > SIGAda is a forum that could serve to develop and maintain a=20 > "Provisional Standard" library. (Isn't that where ASIS originated?) Or = > the vendors could form up a research corporation that might even = become=20 > self-sustaining if it produced a library that could generate revenue = in=20 > the form of support, updates, etc. (Such a research corporation might=20 > even be able to get more developed by volunteers by promising some = kind=20 > of royalties for contributions that are accepted.) I think the forum=20 > could be found and the work accomplished, but it needs some kind of=20 > direction and acceptance by the vendors. >=20 > BTW: I agree about the name. If "Provisional Standard" is not=20 > acceptable, go call it "Harold" for all that it matters to me. ;-) >=20 > MDC OK, now that some initial discussion has occurred, is there any further interest in proceeding with the generation of a "provisional standard"? If so, what should it be called, and were would you like to host it? I am going to as SourceForge to remove the project that was set up for me, since it is now inappropriately named (ada0y-net-std). I know there is some casual interest, but is there any real interest in starting a "formal project"? Or is there an existing one that people should be "pointed to"? Warren. > Robert C. Leif wrote: >=20 >> We already have a group on building Ada APIs for XML. I believe that = I am >> the Chair. I believe that we should minimize the contents of the Ada >> standard, yet maximize the contents of standardized Ada libraries. = The >> creation and modification of libraries often is a continuous process. = For >> instance, none of us knows what the detailed structure of XML will be = >> at the >> end of 5 years. However, we can design a system for creating, what I=20 >> would >> call provisional standards, i.e. a binding for which we have a = consensus >> with the understanding that it may have to be changed in the future. >> >> An additional virtue of the use of provisional standards is that they = >> can be >> extensively tested by implementation and use prior to their formally=20 >> being >> incorporated into Ada. >> Parenthetically, I have no strong attachment to the term provisional >> standard. If there is a better or more precise term, so be it. --=20 Warren W. Gay VE3WWG http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg