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From: Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@acm.org>
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Subject: Re: why ada is so unpopular ?
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Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com> writes:

> Rather than complain about "stupid management" we ought to be helping
> them solve their problems. If Ada had much more capability and
> widespread use, then the manager has substantially less risk in going
> that route. Give the poor guy something he can *trust* will be around,
> supported, low cost and high leverage and you may discover he starts
> making decisions more to your liking.

In my field, the time it takes to learn Ada is quite small compared to
the time it takes to learn how to write useful programs. The later
involves data structures, real-time scheduling, the physics of
actuators and sensors, and control algorithms. None of those things
are "main stream" :).

And yet the managers still say "we can't teach people new programming
languages". 

-- 
-- Stephe