From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 X-Google-Thread: 103376,52a0bacbcdd2da17 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-08-11 11:59:07 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Sender: malo@niflheim.malonet Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment. References: <3F30F167.9070302@noplace.com> <3F338EC2.3070002@noplace.com> <3F34F9EA.1050407@noplace.com> <3F3579F2.2020102@noplace.com> From: Mark Lorenzen Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 11 Aug 2003 23:04:00 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.84.221.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@colt-telecom.dk X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 1060628347 62.84.221.216 (Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:59:07 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:59:07 CEST Organization: Colt Telecom Kunde Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:41322 Date: 2003-08-11T23:04:00+02:00 List-Id: "Luke A. Guest" writes: > On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:08:01 +0200, Mark Lorenzen wrote: > > > If you want to wotk with something that is "done rigth", then learn a > > good craft. Software will always be hacked together due to time > > pressure and management incompetence. > > Ok, I really cannot believe that the embedded side would be that bad, > surely planes, cars, etc. wouldn't be safe. When I am travelling on the Metro (read: "underground") train here in Copenhagen I always consider myself lucky, because I have never seen the bleeding entrails of the software. The Metro is a driver-less system, but still monitored by real humans. I guess that if I knew the software, then I would be too scared and take a bus instead. I do not trust software - not even the software that I write myself. [snip] > First, I DO NOT want to be a manager, too much bullshit and not enough > actual knowledge...pen pushing...no way! This I fully understand. But when browsing the English job ads, I have noticed that there is a wage leap between an engineer and a manager. This is not the case here, where the transition is more gradual. > > Secondly, there are jobs that pay that much and more, they're just don't > seem to be in this side of the industry. > > Thirdly, I really think that that kind of sum is reasonable for a software > developer, especially living in London. Nobody can expect to live on > anything less than £35,000 in London, it's just a joke. > > Luke. Right again. I even think that 35K GPB is in the "good end" of the scale. And London is so terribly expensive to live in.... - Mark