From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 109fba,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 115aec,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: f43e6,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid109fba,gid115aec,gidf43e6,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.rcn.net!news.rcn.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:39:12 -0600 Sender: jsa@rigel.goldenthreadtech.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada) References: <4229bad9$0$1019$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <1110032222.447846.167060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <871xau9nlh.fsf@insalien.org> <3SjWd.103128$Vf.3969241@news000.worldonline.dk> <87r7iu85lf.fsf@insalien.org> <1110052142.832650@athnrd02> <1110284070.410136.205090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <395uqaF5rhu2mU1@individual.net> <1111607633.301232.62490@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1111628011.160315.134740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1111794348.874993.298340@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1111827755.497376.232760@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> From: jayessay Organization: Tangible Date: 26 Mar 2005 16:43:56 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.6.25.79 X-Trace: sv3-acycsIsUXENtspSkM8daSlvNyrKXt+GQ3qjNQei/gyoyKaySFXBRva8gPg2BGmixLd5KFMp4SzxGCuw!yI843BrxGuS5Z7Pi4pHgLPFWocdb59OMvkCjPpEri1dv0kupGLpEc4hyq6do602HjUH9d75X71oG X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.31 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10031 comp.lang.c++:47362 comp.realtime:1745 comp.software-eng:5365 Date: 2005-03-26T16:43:56-05:00 List-Id: "Jerry Coffin" writes: > jayessay wrote: > > [ ... ] > > > > I very specifcally said they were not in a preprocessor, and merely > > > that they provide capabilities similar to those available in the > > > preprocessor in C++. > > > > And this is just _completely_ untrue. Not even close. > > I see. So what is it that (you incorrectly believe) the C preprocessor > can do that a Lisp macro can't do? Nothing, but then I never indicated otherwise. The point was (not as clear as it should have been indicated) that the phrase "they provide capabilities _similar_ to those available in the preprocessor" (emphasis added) is wrong. They don't. For many reasons. They are in no way anything like a preprocessor. > > Lisp coming into the conversation here is just a _bad_ thing to do. > > Not because you are wrong about "preprocessors" being unusual (you're > > right - they aren't.), but because you "equate" (in any sense) Lisp > > macros as being a "preprocessor". > > I never made such an "equation" -- if you saw such a thing in what I > said, it's entirely your own delusion. Yeah right. You specifically state otherwise in the quote at the start (please note the "in any sense"). > > > As usual, I disagree -- and I also use Lisp part of the time, and > > > have not only used Smalltalk, but written a fairly substantial part > > > of a Smalltalk implementation. > > > > Then you don't really understand the fundamental aspect of Lisp. > > I wish I was still sufficiently young and inexperienced to draw such > solid conclusions based on such a complete lack of evidence or > knowledge. You have provided a mass of evidence to support the conclusion. The fact that you don't understand this is actually even more evidence. /Jon -- 'j' - a n t h o n y at romeo/charley/november com