From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,374e3d493349dc8f X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,fe82bd3a72926e1a X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-10-15 15:27:34 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Sender: minyard@wf-rch.cirr.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Language design by by committee ( was Re: Try J# ( was Re: J# is there )) References: <9q223u$lap2j$1@ID-77397.news.dfncis.de> <46vast4p1qnb0e8bt59v4e8616hacvcgtd@4ax.com> <3BC5C49F.B1386292@ao_spam_nix.de> <87ofn8a9dv.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> Reply-To: minyard@acm.org From: minyard@acm.org Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:27:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.7.109.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc2.tx.home.com 1003184853 24.7.109.109 (Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:27:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:27:33 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:30862 comp.lang.ada:14613 Date: 2001-10-15T22:27:33+00:00 List-Id: Florian Weimer writes: > Ted Dennison writes: > > >>Tony Hoare left because he thought the language was way too big. > >>Later on he wrote a foreward to a book in which he recanted this > >>view, and hope people would have the opportunity to use Ada (I > >>think he said "this fine language", but I can't be sure). > > > > ..and compared to C++, Ada is fairly small. > > I'm not sure if this is true if you look at the language core only > (and don't take into account any non-essential run-time library > components, such as containers or valarrays). It's true, especially if you include the language core. Things like: * Number of operators * Number of reserved words * Size of the specification (Note: This particular item is from vague memory, but I think it's right). * Number of ways to shoot yourself in the foot :-). Sorry, I couldn't resist. It's probably true that the amount of C++ constructs that an average C++ designer uses may be smaller than the amount of Ada constructs an average Ada designer uses, but, to quote someone else, "most C++ designers program in 'C++--'". (I think it was Bill Gates). -Corey