From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Georg Bauhaus Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: C versus Ada (once again :-)), was: Re: F-22 ADA Programming Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 10:42:58 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <220f97ab-9aa2-4961-b140-2b271c3ab99a@googlegroups.com> <99759c3f-a35f-4745-a8fd-2fb6ab6fb1aa@googlegroups.com> <48dc1630-8e7d-4e29-8bdd-53d74932d9d0@googlegroups.com> <88a7f98c-55c2-4b5f-8a9d-c8b7512781c8@googlegroups.com> <50cacb19-5d0b-4dbe-b91b-0b3b462913d6@googlegroups.com> <07d0ad94-160b-4873-ba1b-403e8c0bc420@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: nonlegitur@futureapps.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 09:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="b96887e80893c84a90c3007226ca0d1c"; logging-data="1092"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Ugb6UiPofNKTsFptTey8jf/WkdumhqYM=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:xnlVTixEJkdXWFvYi/A1cFqHntw= Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:22987 Date: 2014-11-03T10:42:58+01:00 List-Id: On 03.11.14 02:54, Simon Clubley wrote: > Even in a specialist environment such as the one you mention, you > should usually have a C compiler available which means for the > non-critical stuff you can always import existing C language libraries > from other environments. Assuming "specialist environments" such as the workplace ... > Will you always have an Ada compiler available in this case to import > existing Ada libraries ? ... there currently are fewer Ada environments than there are C environments, and ... > Writing libraries in C gives you portability and general flexibility > options you don't currently have with Ada. I wish that wasn't the case, > but that's the reality. ... then there appears to be a personal incentive for continued use of the C vehicle, even when the writer of the C library in question adds abstractions that really are "flexible" emulations of language features that are built-in elsewhere, uses tools that go way beyond what a C compiler does, and adds a special touch of magical configuration software called automess^H^H^H^Hconf. (Defeating the purpose of a portable library, but that's another topic.) This, then, is how the business-centric attitude, the economic aspect at the individual level, contributes to C forever, unless someone "above" sees an incentive to intervene, and stops this practice of consultancy at its best ;-) Maybe a SPARK profile run-time can help get more environments in place?