From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f43e6,d71a6822cd2fec5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,5ea968aeb8c7f10d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Corey Minyard Subject: Re: Do I Really Need A Supervisor? Date: 1997/03/20 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 226956705 References: <3327438E.942@earthlink.net> <5g7u24$1jeg@uni.library.ucla.edu> Organization: Wonderforce Research Newsgroups: comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-03-20T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: "David Taylor" writes: > > In article <33285CC6.1CFB@ss5010.ca.boeing.com>, Randall Edick > wrote: > > >Jay Martin wrote: > >> > >> Auntie Alias writes: > >> > >> >Do I Really Need A Supervisor? > >> > >> >I work for a well known aerospace firm developing embeddded > [[snip]] > >SAY IT BROTHER. > > > >Please see the other items I posted today. I'm fed up with this > >nonsense, and I'm telling my supervision. > > > >Where would we be without managment? An excellent example is > >Linux. NO MANAGEMENT. One of the largest, most complex, best > >technical, best selling efforts of all time. All done by techies > >over the internet. > > Another example is the Internet itself. There is no one "in charge". There > is some real crap on the Internet, but there is a lot of real genius. > > dave The Internet, well I don't know, but it is not a software development project, either I would argue that Linux does have management. We have Linus at the helm and then a host of other people responsible for various things and then a host of developers who feed into them. The question is not whether management exists (can you image one huge CVS repository with everybody making changes in it) but the quality of management. Linux has rather defacto management and they are all technical and interested in technical issues and "doing the right thing" (very little if any politics). Therefore they produce a very high quality technical product. So the problem is not management (which I would argue is impossible to work without), but it is human nature (or "sin nature" as Christians call it, which is a better description IMHO). Somehow Linux has largely avoided it. NetBSD and FreeBSD haven't avoided it and Linux passed them by. Any organization that can avoid it will do very well, but I have never seen one that has that has reached any size at all. -- Corey Minyard Internet: minyard@acm.org Work: minyard@nortel.ca UUCP: minyard@wf-rch.cirr.com