From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Carter Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: F-22 ADA Programming Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:24:31 -0700 Organization: Also freenews.netfront.net; news.tornevall.net; news.eternal-september.org Message-ID: References: <220f97ab-9aa2-4961-b140-2b271c3ab99a@googlegroups.com> <99759c3f-a35f-4745-a8fd-2fb6ab6fb1aa@googlegroups.com> <48dc1630-8e7d-4e29-8bdd-53d74932d9d0@googlegroups.com> <88a7f98c-55c2-4b5f-8a9d-c8b7512781c8@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 05:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="206f88a41f45fc94d25d07d064d738e2"; logging-data="17674"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19XWuMY/sVeA2gD/A2ed9lGJxngKJk3rrw=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 In-Reply-To: <88a7f98c-55c2-4b5f-8a9d-c8b7512781c8@googlegroups.com> Cancel-Lock: sha1:sT/R/1Ul1RouVsjNJu/iPCWwvY8= Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:22889 Date: 2014-10-28T22:24:31-07:00 List-Id: On 10/28/2014 05:34 PM, Adam Beneschan wrote: > > By "impossible" I was referring to the possibility of writing safe code in > C++, not the possibility of convincing your fellow programmers to actually > try to do so. My wording was unclear. But even so, let's say you're right > about what would happen--are you still going to argue that taking the job in > the first place would be a less ethical choice, as you seemed to be arguing > earlier? Good question. Writing S/W that kills is clearly unethical, even if due to incompetence. Where does writing part of the S/W that kills fall? It's even possible, if our S/W engineer did a good job on the part of the S/W he worked on, that this allowed the project to complete where it would have failed otherwise. A liability lawsuit that went after the S/W developers would undoubtedly consider him equally responsible. This stuff isn't simple. I hoped to spark some discussion on the ethical aspects of language choice. I hope more people will want to comment. -- Jeff Carter "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." Blazing Saddles 89