From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Georg Bauhaus Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: F-22 ADA Programming Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:40:58 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <05dee501-2be0-4b1d-8a52-c3fe8441ea48@googlegroups.com> <45d9025e-8d21-405a-b05d-6de62ca8f424@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: nonlegitur@futureapps.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="ccad6836240abaf72f72a13f8d01711f"; logging-data="8840"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18ILuR6S1v53uTKxliM9tZ94E5SDWit78k=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:s/66RE7AJXnSyGQ5l38PupNKWZ4= Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:22840 Date: 2014-10-28T10:40:58+01:00 List-Id: On 27.10.14 23:06, Simon Wright wrote: > On the other hand, to plan a competition to last a year without agreeing > how progress was to be monitored to the satisfaction of both management > and engineers sounds pretty daft too. True, I guess that this human side of SPARK/Ada was the "something new" that had not be planned in the given circumstances: If thinking before coding is part of the SPARK/Ada process, then to deploy SPARK/Ada within a progress reporting scheme, one needs a change in setup on both sides: - a way for the team to report progress on thought processes, - a way for the recipients of reports to understand this is happening and a way to evaluate these reports. If so, then there is an important lesson to learn before even considering SPARK/Ada: "It's different, like research, only productive in the end, but quite so." (Avoid the word "research".)