From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Georg Bauhaus Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: F-22 ADA Programming Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:17:07 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <52d509e9-6ed6-4166-b0f0-c7a3e694b352@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: nonlegitur@futureapps.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="ccad6836240abaf72f72a13f8d01711f"; logging-data="26440"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18d9MmUCjP8txhvw3VJMVFt7hkztA+tPhM=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: <52d509e9-6ed6-4166-b0f0-c7a3e694b352@googlegroups.com> Cancel-Lock: sha1:MwNtRMEThid6RWQEgXSScbmWefg= Xref: number.nntp.giganews.com comp.lang.ada:190115 Date: 2014-10-27T11:17:07+01:00 List-Id: On 27.10.14 01:31, David Botton wrote: >> Well said. If I'm in charge of a project to be done in ANY language, >> I'd rather hire competent programmers and teach them that language, >> rather than hire programmers who know (only) that language. > > Agreed because we "understand" it is the skills to engineer not the language that makes the difference. That is not what a pointy haired manager understands. > >> Ada isn't the easiest language to learn, but it's not THAT hard. > > It is true on projects that are large scale like the F-22 is a bit ridiculous that they can't do a 2 week language boot camp for new recruits, but there is validity when dealing with small startups and projects that can't afford to train developers. Oddly enough, the choice of languages, frameworks, and costs, is in the hands of pointy haired managers. Every single manager decides to choose what all others choose, If they don't choose Ada, he doesn't. And if everyone follows suit, no one looses. No risk, no loss, comparable results, perfect world, good decision. Except if a different choice looks like gold waiting to be taken into the first hands that grab it. This will start a new management loop if all others can follow. Ada once looked like gold because of the "mandate". Are there still one or two nuggets lying around blinking? Embedded Ada and easy, web sockets with Ada and easy, maybe?