From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Carter Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: F-22 ADA Programming Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:24:12 -0700 Organization: Also freenews.netfront.net; news.tornevall.net; news.eternal-september.org Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 23:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="206f88a41f45fc94d25d07d064d738e2"; logging-data="27436"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Vb48isNj5s+cbOzPYmmI7ME2gtIfnYHc=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:C+OwEZfOIyg1oUYQ6cFCMMNyNTQ= Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:22792 Date: 2014-10-26T16:24:12-07:00 List-Id: On 10/26/2014 02:20 PM, David Botton wrote: > > Unfortunately Ada tends to be used as a scapegoat for managers sometimes for > reasons things get held up etc, but here is one point valid point (also here > is more info about how much of the F-22 is in Ada): > > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1110502/posts > > "ADA didn't work out as expected, but some 80 percent of the F-22 code is > still written in ADA. Getting good ADA programmers was always a problem, as > ADA never caught on outside the Department of Defense. As a result of the > limited pool of programmers would could work on the F-22 software, quality > and imagination (in the design of the software) suffered." "Lack of Ada developers" is also a false complaint. Here on c.l.a we all know that there are Ada developers looking for Ada work and unable to find it. We also know that teaching Ada to a good developer is a cost-saving exercise. The real complaint is that they couldn't get people with Ada experience as cheaply as people with experience in other languages. Generally they want to hire lots of poor developers, since that maximizes profit on cost-plus contracts, and Ada people tend not to fall into that category. -- Jeff Carter "Why, the Mayflower was full of Fireflies, and a few horseflies, too. The Fireflies were on the upper deck, and the horseflies were on the Fireflies." Duck Soup 95