From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "G.B." Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Why GPL for GNAT hurt(s) the Application Space Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:43:56 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <54322bcb$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <45107455-131c-415f-a24a-9d68fd7da4d7@googlegroups.com> <35af326e-5601-4b39-b323-d2e406b16b77@googlegroups.com> <8a0db66f-2bb6-49b8-ad3b-781b41ccdca3@googlegroups.com> <549a2774-28f2-4c6c-b39d-406eba70e36e@googlegroups.com> <02c3b60f-9b1a-486a-82b2-351c4ef2589f@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: nonlegitur@futureapps.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 14:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="b96887e80893c84a90c3007226ca0d1c"; logging-data="18552"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19wuBsHd+ZQoOoqJk8e7T1MxuTF6x17vxc=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:AU/opbelF8muL94XcW8BewbWOOw= Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:22282 Date: 2014-10-09T16:43:56+02:00 List-Id: On 09.10.14 15:18, Simon Wright wrote: > That really sounds like FSF GCC. Unless people will really take fright > at "GPLv3" without reading on to "with GCC Runtime Library Exception". FSF GCC still does not "feel good": World views aside, and FUD aside, consider the lack of one conveniently installable package like AWS on Windows™ producing anger. Anger is a strong motive, as is convenience. Also, on Windows™, GCC is not perceived to be native if it sits on top of Cygwin or MingW. These and Windows™ itself require licensing issues. It is less important, I thinkm how these are resolved than how much convincing the resolution takes. (Robert Dewar, on stage, explains how much time it had taken AdaCore to get a company lawyer understand "You have the source" when the lawyer asked for source code escrow. I'm mentioning this because it isn't technical rationality that is at work in cases like these.) I understand that packaging of an affordable "feel good" compiler has failed to be a commercial success in the past. But if a compiler maker sells a copy to a "cleared" individual, it should help him free up some personal money, and help Ada be viable outside the niche. Would this be so bad? And another thing: how long Apple is Apple going to tolerate non-LLVM compilers on Mac?