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From: Simon Wright <simon@pushface.org>
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Subject: Re: F-22 ADA Programming
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"G.B." <bauhaus@futureapps.invalid> writes:

> Anecdotal evidence (helicopters, TTBOMK) claims that an
> effective use of Spark/Ada in comparison to C++ has led
> to a preference for the less successful C++ because of internal
> reporting difficulties: Two teams competed for 1 year.
> While Spark/Ada meant no bugs and 100% achievement (C++
> meant some bugs and ~80% achievement), late use of simulators,
> and progress in theory first, this situation of no visible
> progress had led to close-to-heart-attack conditions
> in project management. ("Can you show me something?")

If that was indeed a competition, I'm surprised that it lasted as long as
a year. I'd have cut the SPARK/Ada project long before that.

On the other hand, to plan a competition to last a year without agreeing
how progress was to be monitored to the satisfaction of both management
and engineers sounds pretty daft too.