From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Simon Wright Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada Successor Language Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 18:30:36 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <5e86db65-84b9-4b5b-9aea-427a658b5ae7@googlegroups.com> <878t7u1cfm.fsf@nightsong.com> <8a65f8ff-4a75-43f2-884c-6872780f7ea8@googlegroups.com> <771e8e35-b71a-499d-a0fe-bb0df1de22ab@googlegroups.com> <92741619.550509671.540055.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <81e22064-bb0e-4e0b-982a-c17a2cad5977@googlegroups.com> <1b03e4ff-daf1-4c13-84ef-13aec1ba96e9@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="a33c385bd14789a9293700082b78f75c"; logging-data="617"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+yEaU5IJB8dW3SJgUQJMjXgzsZyXTvK+4=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xK/MgUay1daImN7wwBgEMFLFTXI= sha1:0Qf7n8c+kliMvD63Y10WMfcvGUg= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53124 Date: 2018-06-15T18:30:36+01:00 List-Id: "J-P. Rosen" writes: > Le 15/06/2018 à 14:06, Dmitry A. Kazakov a écrit : >> On 2018-06-15 13:38, jm.tarrasa@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> I used Rational in one project and can confirm, I was impressed. >>>> >>> Just curious. >>> How much cost a seat of such impressing environment? >> >> I cannot say, we were a subcontractor, all expenses were paid by >> another party. >> > I don't know the exact price, but all users I met said that > 1) it was very expensive > 2) the price was quickly covered by the gains in productivity I worked for Ferranti at the time; we had a site in Cwmbran which was the software engineering & research part (from our point of view, what we'd now call toolchain and driver developers). The Cwmbran team had I think 7 R1000s. This was (according to a rumour) because they weren't happy with Rational's CMVC (Configuration Management & Version Control) and insisted on implementing their own on top of it, so needed more machines than Rational would have thought necessary. Good for Rational's bottom line, of course.