From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!gandalf.srv.welterde.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!loke.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada platforms and pricing, was: Re: a new language, designed for safety ! Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:08:47 -0500 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <1402308235.2520.153.camel@pascal.home.net> <85ioo9yukk.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <255b51cd-b23f-4413-805a-9fea3c70d8b2@googlegroups.com> <5ebe316d-cd84-40fb-a983-9f953f205fef@googlegroups.com> <2100734262424129975.133931laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <1vrc8mmlbvd6f$.1vak7oiubwsaj$.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: static-69-95-181-76.mad.choiceone.net X-Trace: loke.gir.dk 1403554127 15529 69.95.181.76 (23 Jun 2014 20:08:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:08:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:20563 Date: 2014-06-23T15:08:47-05:00 List-Id: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote in message news:1vrc8mmlbvd6f$.1vak7oiubwsaj$.dlg@40tude.net... > On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:38:50 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote: > >> I'm not talking about "peripherals"; I'm talking about timers and trap >> handlers (for overflow, divide-by-zero, etc.) and the like. These things >> are >> required for a useful subset of Ada. (No clock and no exceptions means >> you're no longer really doing Ada, just Ada syntax.) I/O is optional, but >> not these other things. > > You are right. But how a board could be of any use without some peripheral > I/O? Especially when file I/O and networking has already been ruled out! > Deaf-mute chunk of silicon... Right, but I was thinking of the rather elaborate language-defined I/O facilities. I doubt that there is much use for Ada.Directories on the typical embedded board. You need some sort of low-level facilities tailored for the devices, it often makes as much sense for the programmer to provide those as the compiler vendor. Perhaps some package of very low-level facilities would help (hopefully one that could be per-CPU architecture as opposed to per-board), but that's it and that would not have much to do with Ada per-se. Randy.