"Georg Bauhaus" wrote in message news:5352a585$0$6707$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net... > On 19/04/14 18:00, Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) wrote: ... >> However you are more likely to get people sticking to good methods, give >> time and energy for this, if they get something in return. > > Well, that again makes for a hypothesis that is so unspecific > that it fits the same bill: correlation turned causal based on > likelihood, ceteris paribus. > E.g., what are the specifics in terms of work hours, pay, and > project characteristics? Do we have control-group like evidence? I can give you a couple of data points: First, the state of Ada standardization when I was funded to do administrative tasks. Before I took over, the ARG had a succession of volunteer editors. Toward the end, the only thing produced was meeting minutes. No one had organized the suggested changes, or figured out the effect on the standard (in some cases, the suggested changes were impossible to fit into the standard and we ended up coming up with completely different resolutions). Once I took over, I spent a lot of time on that sort of administrative tasks, and in other things that improved the process, like having on-line access to version control for documents (prior to my taking over there was no version control and on-line access was only to the most recent posted version of a document - which often was well behind the current state). This work was (and is) not much fun, and I think only someone who was getting paid would do it for long. (I'll have been doing it 16 years this fall. Wow.) The second example is the ACATS. Here, I took over directly from another paid person (Dan Lehman at the AVO). So I needed to make few changes to the basic procedures or approaches; mainly I wrote down a lot of the procedures that hadn't been well-documented in the past, and added a few new ones to deal with public version control and a finer-grained and more formal approach to correcting tests and issuing new tests. In both cases, I think that having a paid person involved has ensured quality that otherwise would not have happened. Working with volunteers is often described as herding cats (because one can make little assumptions about deadlines or quality of work - even in a group as knowledgeable and committed as the ARG - one learns who can be trusted to do work on time, who will wait to the last minute, and who probably will never produce anything). Someone who can put the pieces together and is empowered to do that is critical - and that person has to have a way to eat on jobs that will take months. [Of course, my opinion here may be more than a little biased, so please draw your own conclusions.] Randy.