From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!gandalf.srv.welterde.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!loke.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: J Kimball Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Your wish list for Ada 202X Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:15:57 -0500 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <7f1c01c5-3563-4b94-9831-152dbbf2ecdc@googlegroups.com> <206rutb9pqak$.11a3dufqvmrm4.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wsip-70-184-216-60.om.om.cox.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: loke.gir.dk 1395875758 15713 70.184.216.60 (26 Mar 2014 23:15:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:15:58 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:28.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/28.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:18995 Date: 2014-03-26T18:15:57-05:00 List-Id: On 03/26/2014 04:06 PM, Randy Brukardt wrote: > "Stoik" wrote in message > news:ea073fca-c607-476c-8c0b-81e2da1686b1@googlegroups.com... > .... >> Although Ada has a lot of nice features and is still better constructed >> than >> some of the more popular languages, there is a lot that causes frustration >> for the users. I will comment on it more later on. > > Commenting here is precisely the problem. Most of the user contacts that the > ARG has is third-hand at best. (Combating that is one of the reasons I hang > out here.) We really don't have the clear of an idea of what other Ada users > want. I know I draw on my own experience far more than probably is healthy. > > Moreover, we've been asking for years for users to show us the problems that > they cannot solve with Ada (now Ada 2012), so that we can look at possible > solutions. That's one of the major purposes of the Ada-Comment mailing list. > A few people do that, but it's not many. You don't have to be a language > designer to do that; indeed, we'd rather you didn't try to invent language > features to solve the problem, since those ideas often obscure the actual > problem. Of course, we might determine that Ada 2012 already can solve the > problem sensibly - or that we don't consider it important enough - but > problems that we don't hear about have a near 100% chance of not being > addressed. > > This is probably a good time to remind everyone that the Ada-Comment mailing > list is open to everyone. It's for comments and discussion on the Ada > language and it's Standard, not particular implementations of Ada. (Leave > your gripes about AdaCore here, please. :-) You can find instructions about > joining the list at > http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/articles/comment.html. > > Of course, that is not to say that discussion here isn't useful when one > wants to know if they are alone with a concern or the like. But please don't > assume that just because something is said here it is going to get back to > the ARG and have an impact on future language standards. (Occassionally, > someone has taken a discussion here back to Ada-Comment, but no one ought to > assume that will happen. If you really care, do it yourself!) > > Randy Brukardt, ARG Editor. > > That's great. I know there are a lot of ideas out there, but the nebulous task of communicating it to ARG has prohibited moving on them.